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Zed overkill at pro play from 100-0

Genghis Khat·2/17/2019, 3:49:32 PM·55 votes·8,592 views

Cass has not hit level 6 yet but it does not matter, zed just simply flashes to R and drops cass from 100-0 with 30% overkill damage BALANCED BTW OMEGALUL and ll stylish still thinks the champ is weak xd he needs so many nerfs its not even funny. https://youtu.be/GgXw-9v0d1U?t=9

Edit: for those who missed the point of this post. Before level 2 all ins became a thing you had to do these things called "trades" in lane where you poke each other and try to get each other down to like 50-70% health before all ining.

Point is damage is just stupidly high. even if cass rushed she would have still been overkilled THAT IS THE PROBLEM. i literally have 150k points on zed and i want him nerfed? why? cause it is not healthy for the game. TDL got massively buffed, ignite got massively buffed, lethality introduction. Assassins shouldnt overkill they should just kill.

It does not matter whether or not she had flashed she had no business being 130-0 mind you zed had half an item and only 6 points in his abilities. How does that warrant a 130-0 play? It is early game where you don't blow up anything that comes close to you.

https://youtu.be/mnohyzibsv0?t=196 check those few seconds. brofresco hits a perfect W Q AND BARELY DOES ANY DAMAGE that is balance that is how damage should be. (inb4 lol he has no items) so you are saying dirk makes u go from 10% of enemies max hp to 50%? hmmm guess dirk needs a nerf then?

TLDR: nerf all assassins or lower damage by 30% overall in the entire game like you did with arurf on some champs. (this is coming from an assassin only main who plays pretty much nothing but assassins)

115 Comments

BALDG1VEN BOOMER2/17/2019, 3:59:47 PM27 votes

AD assassins were a whole lot more reasonable when lethality wasn’t a fucking thing on them, it’s literally half an item spike and you can start long sword to save on gold and then you just keep stacking more lethality and armour pen.

They were much better when they were building things like BotRK, BT, Tiamat

EDIT: Most common build path according to u.gg

Duskblade, Mercs, Yommu, Black Cleaver, GA and LW.

21 + 18 + 7 (Sudden Impact) + 4% (24%) + 35%.

Hotarµ2/17/2019, 3:55:32 PM26 votes

Cass had no armor built and is naturally very squishy, Zed has a level advantage, Zed landed every single ability +an auto attack + multiple Q's + ignite + electrocute.

Zed must be broken because an assassin landing all his abilities on a squishy target with no armor while using electrocute and ignite shouldn't result in a kill.

2Charmnot2Charm2/17/2019, 5:26:08 PM12 votes

Cass has not hit level 6 yet but it does not matter

Are you serious right now?

The only chance cass will ever have vs a zed is to prepare her ult for the moment zed reappears from his R animation which would be a 100% stun if timed right unless zed shadow swaps to a ready W shadow or burn flash (which he doesn't have because he used flash to get in range of R and W shadow wasn't on the ground already so he can't do the instant swap ether).

But guess what? Zed engaged before she could get the minions needed for her level 6 to unlock her ONLY relevant CC ability and since Cass is FLASHLESS for whatever reason it would be absolutely dumb if she got out of that level 5 vs level 6 fight alive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU8QzsBzHa4 You see this? I completely disrespected the fact that zed could swap to that shadow and ult me. Why? Because

A. His flash is down.

And

B. He had to swap to that shadow to ult me in the first place.

This results in the 100% CC situation zed players have to deal with that i just talked about. Of course Ahri's charm is easier to time than cass ult but my point still stands that a Cass can do this to a zed if she had her ult up.

Level six is a big power spike for most assassins and needs to be respected. Otherwise what's the point of picking them if they still cant do their damn job vs a flashless immobile mage.

GhostOfTsushima2/17/2019, 5:32:43 PM7 votes

This is the perfect post to talk shit about cus of low skill thinking lol

But you can't rank shame because Riot don't like it

Zed genius2/17/2019, 10:35:57 PM7 votes

Zoe can do the exact same thing (and you can't even flash if she lands E) Leblanc can do the exact same thing. Lissandra with fucking afterschock can do the exact same thing. Annie can do the exact same thing. Syndra can do the exact same thing.

The list goes on and on.

Saianna2/18/2019, 1:54:34 PM6 votes

So many downvotes. So many zed mains

So many people repeat the very same phrase: "cass burned her flash" This alone explains that people commenting here don't even understand or bother to understand the issue of the thread.

This thread is NOT about "ZED IS OP"

This thread is about "TOO MUCH DAMAGE"

And one might think that message is simple enough to comprehend lel

hrooza dota 2/18/2019, 2:29:00 PM6 votes

damage problem is not a champion or a class, damage problem is the whole game all together.

Yenn2/19/2019, 8:46:45 AM5 votes

This thread is actually sad.

Zed's combo on immobile champions is unavoidable.

The slow from his shadow ensures the shurikens land. The only way it can not hit is if he misses; the target's skill is irrelevant, so trying to justify it with 'lol he landed everything' is the same as saying he deserves to one shot Cass with no counterplay because he has at least mediocre mechanical skill.

The ult was also completely unnecessary, he could have just W'd on top of Cass and auto'd her down in exchange for taking slightly more damage, which is the real problem with Zed. Laning against him as an immobile caster is a nightmare, and impossible if you're playing a champion that needs to auto to CS.

Shiroe Okazaki2/19/2019, 4:34:32 AM5 votes

dont worry. riot is listening to a zed one trick and buffing him guys. You know. cause he like totally needed it. he could never ever one shot anyone at any level. Its not like he r e auto and people are dead or anything :D [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Ahri Baka2/17/2019, 4:54:19 PM4 votes

Yeah honestly Even having Armor would have been waste that kill on Lee hurts a lot tho

Zeppelins circus2/19/2019, 2:16:28 AM3 votes

I told the whole community. Zed mains who lobby here are scam artists which is the same to Shaco and rengars. They done it for YEARS. Why listen to them?

Beerstein2/19/2019, 2:40:05 AM3 votes

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Cass has not hit level 6 yet but it does not matter, zed just simply flashes to R and drops cass from 100-0 with 30% overkill damage BALANCED BTW OMEGALUL and ll stylish still thinks the champ is weak xd he needs so many nerfs its not even funny. https://youtu.be/GgXw-9v0d1U?t=9

Edit: for those who missed the point of this post. Before level 2 all ins became a thing you had to do these things called "trades" in lane where you poke each other and try to get each other down to like 50-70% health before all ining.

Point is damage is just stupidly high. even if cass rushed she would have still been overkilled THAT IS THE PROBLEM. i literally have 150k points on zed and i want him nerfed? why? cause it is not healthy for the game. TDL got massively buffed, ignite got massively buffed, lethality introduction. Assassins shouldnt overkill they should just kill.

It does not matter whether or not she had flashed she had no business being 130-0 mind you zed had half an item and only 6 points in his abilities. How does that warrant a 130-0 play? It is early game where you don't blow up anything that comes close to you.

https://youtu.be/mnohyzibsv0?t=196 check those few seconds. brofresco hits a perfect W Q AND BARELY DOES ANY DAMAGE that is balance that is how damage should be. (inb4 lol he has no items) so you are saying dirk makes u go from 10% of enemies max hp to 50%? hmmm guess dirk needs a nerf then?

TLDR: nerf all assassins or lower damage by 30% overall in the entire game like you did with arurf on some champs. (this is coming from an assassin only main who plays pretty much nothing but assassins)

You think that's bad? I had a game with Amumu where Zed was melting me super late game...that's right, with the right build he has NO late game dropoff against tanks.

https://imgur.com/AjUax4Y

I still won, but the full build assassins should not be able to melt full build tanks...Every item I had was health, armor, or health and armor. (JG item was cinderhulk) This was WITH elixir of Iron. Zed had no elixir...

Actually, Zed wasn't even full build, but I was. I also slowed it down enough so you could see how badly he missed his skillshots while melting me, as well as how the support was doing no damage.

Items at bottom (Plus iron elixir for amumu), Amumu stats on left.
Zed didn't even use his item actives.
Can't say I didn't build tanky enough, look how little damage I was doing to an "Assassin" ADC, and Support. Oh but "tanks are overloaded with base stats" lol.
I'm not saying I should be crushing everyone in my path, I am a tank, but I certainly shouldn't be getting melted like that by an assassin because....well...I am a tank...This game lasted over 50 minutes just on my team having to play around a Zed and only won because his positioning was horrible which gave us ways to slow play around him.
The opposing team was almost 100% AD, we had 4 bruiser/tanks and it took us over 50 mintues to close it out simply because defense is ineffective in league...
We took 1 Rift Herald, 2 dragons and FOUR barons before we were finally able to close it out. We ended up closing it out by doing a 3 lane split push and not engaging. (Retreat any lane they attack and push others with minions) In short, we couldn't close out against them until we vocally communicated with eachother, and decided to let the minions carry us.

https://gfycat.com/LankyThoseKiskadee

Honestly, I originally never realized how bad zed was until I got him in a random mode and was able to win by just smashing QWER repeatedly while holding the mouse over opponents, not even knowing what my abilities did.

"Look at the moves, look at the plays" he literally held the mouse over his opponent while smashing all his keys...

IneffableAeon2/17/2019, 11:03:45 PM3 votes

People seem to forget that Lethality is actually a post-nerfed Armor Penetration.

BigFBear2/18/2019, 6:50:10 PM3 votes

instakilling someone:

#"LOOK AT THE MOVES! LOOK AT THE PLAYS!!"

exactly what LoL has become

refl

Vah Medoh2/18/2019, 5:26:09 PM3 votes

Saying: With Flash would not happen this.

Yeah, everyone will have Flash anytime he combo. Same cooldown, totally.

Dehydration2/18/2019, 7:44:18 PM2 votes

Zed is getting new skin

Netorare2/18/2019, 4:05:40 PM2 votes

Lethality is a fucking joke, ad assassins were better without that garbage stat added to the game. Bring back s3 paper dmg.

Astrovert2/18/2019, 5:04:06 PM2 votes

The whole stupid amount of damage on champions that go invisible is starting to make me not like League anymore.

I mean stupid damage and basically untargetable? When exactly does the fun start?

Princess Bunhead2/18/2019, 3:27:31 PM2 votes

I'm gonna have to agree - back when I started league in S4, you traded alot before all-inning, now it's a matter of playing super safe or be 100 to zero'ed. I mean, even Riven/Jax at level 6 with Conq up can also burst a Darius, a supposedly beefy-ish champion, down 100 to zero, even when he's not behind. Couple that with mobility creep and the game has just become stupid af.

I started S4, and I truly miss how the state the game was in S5.

S5 > S4 > S6 > S7 > S8, and apparently S9 is even worse... God fucking damnit, Riot.

Meep Man2/19/2019, 2:42:29 AM1 votes

The Zeds landed absolutely everything though.

Also, how is Zed going game win rate wise in pro play and normals?