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Tahm Kench should be able to eat red and blue buff if he has three passive stacks on them.

pooppoop3··143 votes·3,493 views

Kench jungle has the potential to be viable but not overbearing, and I think that this small buff would allow him to be played in the jungle without breaking the game.

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The Letter H36 votes

Many Tahm mains (myself included) have suggested a compromise for this issue, as riot has previously stated they don't want Tahm eating red/blue buff.

Instead of having Kench be able to devour the buffs, at least let him stack his passive on the baddies.

That way Tahm still wouldn't be able to devour them, but can gain the Q stun and extra damage on autos, helping him out a bit on the buffs.

Even so, this 'buff' isn't entirely needed, as his E passive/shield and devour are incredibly powerful against camps like krugs or raptors, and having a small weakness like this helps balance out his strong jungling.

Either way though, a change like this would be nice.

GripaAviara3 votes

I really like your idea. I think the possibility to eat red/blue would be too op on counter jungling and annoying.

Would love to see Tahm jungle viable. I really enjoy playing him

My Waifu Vanilla9 votes

I mean....it requires 3 auto attacks or 2 auto attacks and Q. It wouldn't be any more annoying than Nunu walking up and doing it for arguably more damage and without the wind-up.

SoryInAdvance2 votes

Except tahm's everything else is much stronger than nunu

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

I...erm...He has...uhm...Hmm.

Yeah. Can't argue with you there. I suppose that Nunu has better large AoE damage? And scales better with AP?

THE RlVER KlNG8 votes

Tahm Kench has abysmal jungling what are you talking about lol

The Letter H6 votes

From what I've heard over on the r/TahmKenchMains discord everyone says hes fine at jungling lmao.

THE RlVER KlNG5 votes

it has suboptimal clear and cannot keep up with pretty much any meta jungler

you can force it and pretend its good like some people insist but it isn't currently

tahm kench discord (of which I am a member) also does a lot of cheese strats like splitpush tahm with zzrot portal and ruby ss and ap tahm mid with protobelt and ludens

is it fun, and doable in certain very specific circumstances by a skilled player in certain matchups? yeah

is it good? no not at all

The Letter H1 votes

Thanks for the insight, friend. I'm not accustomed to Tahm jg, as I prefer to play him top and support, so I was basing my opinion on what I've heard about his clear from the discord. While members of said discord server do enjoy plenty of cheese talk about absurd builds they still know their champion and have serious discussions about builds, mechanics and etc. While your information is useful, I wish you would of shared it in a less degrading tone but this is the internet and no one gives a fuck about other people's feelings. So yes, I agree. Under the right circumstances and if the player is skilled enough Tahm Jungle will excel, but otherwise it falls flat, but is still do-able with moderate success and is in need of a buff or tweak.

Barcid1 votes

A Taric jungle taught me that once.

Not a champion good at jungling. He fucking worked it, though.

And twerked it.

Mmmmmmm...

Champion Skin1 votes

He is okay on 3v3 but that's a lot because there he can use his W on all the camps which helps a lot... though his ganks aren't that great (I think?)

Gesterr1 votes

I think if he stacks on a buff he should be able to devour it, but instead of his normal devour he can just "take a big bite" out of the buff doing the damage his W would normally do but not place it inside his belly untargetable like a lesser Nunu Q.

NegusInParis1 votes

Isn't his strong jungling balanced out by his not too strong ganks (Unless he uses ultimate)?

Bârd12 votes

That is by no means a "small buff".

It's reasonable, but it's a huge buff to his clear.

Sorin Alucard5 votes

He should still be able to eat camps

Kaeblen4 votes

That's not a "small buff". 30% max health damage vs Red and Blue buff is pretty overwhelming.

Warlord Rhinark3 votes

Yes.

Shuyin1783 votes

It's annoying I have to "borrow" another camp in order to help take the buffs at current with Tahm. It feels so bad.

Latex Choker1 votes

Especially since you can't start at gromp any more. Having bot leash Gromp down to 500 then spitting it at blue for level 2 and finishing with smite gave you such a healthy start to your clear even with Tahm's awful buff taking.

ModAcademy Kayn3 votes

The problem with that, and the problem with letting his passive stack, is that you already have a guy who regens a bunch of the damage he takes. Being able to chunk enemies alongside that, or to stun them, along side his recovery would be extremely potent in clearing camps.

Dr Poro1 votes

Sejuani has all of that too, but better.

Durzaka2 votes

Riot has flat out said they don't want Tahm jungling. So its not gonna happen.

EDIT: I love how this got downvoted.

Im literally repeating what a Riot response said when this exact thread was posted 2 months ago.

needHymn6 votes

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Durzaka1 votes

Tough shit, its not going to happen.

If they were to give him this MASSIVE buff, they would need to hit him somewhere else, thereby hurting his support role. And they don't want to do that.

HaIlMonitor2 votes

It really comes down to if they want the game to be "fun" or "Competitive". Those two can and do intermingle, but the less option and more forced styles will make the game more competitive. In general more people have more fun when their players are not trolling, and even if they did make that buff Tahm Kench would always be considered a troll pick unless LCS picked it up.

ƒiut Ðisa 1 votes

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Riot has flat out said they don't want Tahm jungling. So its not gonna happen.

Riot also didn't want Twitch or Riven jungling but it's happening

Durzaka1 votes

Yes, but they didn't give them a very very large buff to enable it happening.

The Yetii Rider2 votes

Tahm is very viable in the jungle, particularly because he is able to ignore damage from powerful camps like Krugs and Gromp with a 3 second suppress effect. He doesn't need to W red and blue, he gets a leash with one and has his Q + passive for the other.

Support Kench being able to Devour enemy buffs is a giant headache.

needHymn7 votes

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TheGoomyGamer3 votes

Also, syndra can literally click on the buff and secure it instantly with her W.

The Yetii Rider2 votes

{quoted}

Blitz can hook red/blue, so tell me more about headaches.

OP clearly said "with 3 stacks", so he couldn't do it instantly like Blitz.

Blitz doing it is already an issue, just not an issue Riot cares enough to fix. But it's more than they'd care to repeat.

Aimléss2 votes

Tahm Kench's jg clear is already good. Just save smite for the buffs and eat the other monsters. He is already viable.

Paroe1 votes

@thread

Instead of letting tahm eat them, why cant tahm just take a bite out of them...?

Evil Yasuo1 votes

no

Elikain1 votes

We've had this conversation multiple times already and the answer was no he shouldn't. His Devour deals % max HP damage so he doesn't need super speedy clears of the big baddies of the jungle. He's a pretty decent jungler and he has a lot of tongue action damage anyway. He doesn't need "burst" damage on top of that.

Rıots Bad Client7 votes

couldn't you just... Put a cap on the damage towards 'monsters' much like vayne silver bolts.

Latex Choker1 votes

It has one already, 400-600 based on rank. (Important to note that monsters and minions take both the % HP damage and the AoE damage from the spit itself.)

PapaGreg211 votes

I posted this exact same thread 6 months ago and a rioter responded and said they wouldn't do it because it would make kench broken. Don't get your hopes up

Fairyfleur1 votes

While we're at it, let Zyra 's W gain a charge when you kill a large monster?

JoiyGaming1 votes

kinda like dr.mundo jungle right except the fact that he doesn't really need a buff or nerf to do well

Ebolol1 votes

Seems like every champ is becoming a jungler these days.... lol

Eternum Nocturne1 votes

As a Tahm main I always want to play jg cuz I can devour and spit raptors causing massive splash dmg, my ult is great for ganks, counter jungling is as simple as stealing the enemy camp over the wall, but all of this smooth jungling is disrupted by the fact that the 2 buffs take too long to kill, especially since W is your biggest damage source.

Ahri Baka1 votes

Hmmmmmm many champions abilities works on epic monsters and champions only , like Rakan Q can heal if it hits an epic monster , so I would like it more if he can eat epic monsters on 3 stacks xD

it would be cool to see him securing dragons , not as a jungler but as a support , that would be nice.

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