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Please don't waste my time

oO Hawke Oo··4 votes·710 views

Ok, I understand that because it's a new season you are dropping everyone a full tier.

But my problem is that after playing 10 games for placements I was placed in bronze 5. Which is expected, it's about 1 tier below where I was, and I only won 7 out of 10 of my games.

But if you were planning, in all likelihood, of placing me in the lowest tier anyway, why not just put me there so those 7 wins counted for something instead of making me think I had a shot at something higher and then giving me 0 lp for my efforts. I would have much rather just said 'Screw it' and started at 0 than waste my time with placements and then be put at 0 Lp after. Or at lease give me a few LP to let me know you noticed I played a game.

Nothing is more frustrating than not only being told you have to start at the bottom, but every effort you made to not start there was a waste of time.

-Hawke

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Hexs Fortune2 votes

The wins in placement affect how much LP you get in future victories

The Drewprint1 votes

Nothing is more frustrating than not only being told you have to start at the bottom, but every effort you made to not start there was a waste of time.

I don't see high elo players saying this. That should speak volumes of the premise for your argument.

jaymc11302 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Drewprint,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MuNxEluj,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-01-07T06:54:02.429+0000)

I don't see high elo players saying this. That should speak volumes of the premise for your argument.

4 consecutive season diamond player and former master tier player here to chime in then:

Op is right. That's ridiculous. And hilarious. And the core of the problem lies from the deception that is the League System which likely didn't register an appropriate ranking for OP at the end of last season.

Have a read here in this article to understand what I mean about the MMR and League being separate systems:

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/E9nkYATc-psa-regarding-ranked-placement-and-seedings-for-all-who-are-confused

There is a reason why having two separate systems with the same intended function overlap is a bad idea and it's because it can be misleading.

Most players tend to find the game less enjoyable to play when they are mislead about what the results of each game mean for their ranking.

In fact, its a downright awful way to treat your playerbase if you're Riot.

When you double down on this and make the same player you have already mislead to believe he was a Silver player (league displayed ranking) when he was in fact a mid Bronze player (actual MMR) play placement matches that will never have an impact on his ranking as the algorithm has reset him too low to advance past bronze 5 then what is the point of having him play those 10 games? His individual skill was never measured, his individual skill metrics never taken into account, his W/L record isn't taken into account (in any visible sense at least, the hidden MMR values will however be manipulated by the win ratio and this in turn will manipulate future LP totals) and his former rank isn't taken into account (the same area of the ladder will be populated by former bronze, silver, gold, and plat players from last season).

To the vast majority of people this would seem like a waste of time and effort to be placed on the bottom of the totem pole after 10 games you are forced to play without the possibility of ever moving up despite your performance in them. Its kind of like saying, in order to even be the WORST of the WORST players in this game you first have to play 10 ranked matches. And then, no matter what, after 10 games, you are among the worst of the worst players regardless of your performance and if you win more from then on out you might be able to acquire a higher ranking.

Part of the reason smurfing is so prevalent is because many of us in the high level community learned long ago that the only way to quickly achieve a desired ranking was to do so on a fresh account that has never before played a single lifetime ranked match as you get bonus MMR from your first 50 lifetime ranked matches, starting with the most in game 1 and decreasing to game 50. This makes it very simple to move an account in the first 50 games it will ever play on the ladder. No matter WHERE it gets ranked it can achieve diamond within 50 games (and this is the only way to achieve diamond in 50 games, it can only be done from a fresh account or an account that ranked in diamond the previous season) or less. Any account that has held a ranking in a previous season AND played more than 50 lifetime ranked matches is extremely hard to move on the ladder due to the lesser MMR gains for wins and it may take thousands of games to appropriately rank it. Or I could just make a new account, spam versus bots for 200 fast games, then jump right into ranked with a OTP account and go 40-10 in my first 50 and hit diamond ez pz.

So yes, the difficulty one has in moving a previously ranked account is a direct "fuck you" to players who ever spend money on the game and feel tied to an account with content purchased on it, or basically, the entire playerbase. It's a really poor and short sighted move on Riot's part and a big reason why this game has been rapidly declining in the last 14 months.

oO Hawke Oo1 votes

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4 consecutive season diamond player and former master tier player here to chime in then:

Op is right. That's ridiculous. And hilarious. And the core of the problem lies from the deception that is the League System which likely didn't register an appropriate ranking for OP at the end of last season.

Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate you chiming in. The rage has subsided now. I still think this is poor messaging on the part of Rito. Yes, I am manipulating a hidden variable, but ultimately that is unsatisfying as a player.

-Hawke

jaymc11301 votes

[{quoted}](name=oO Hawke Oo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MuNxEluj,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-01-07T08:27:50.018+0000)

Yes, I am manipulating a hidden variable, but ultimately that is unsatisfying as a player.

I can understand your frustration.

If you're serious about climbing try not to take it too hard and just think of it like this: Any placement matches you play actually are accounted for and whatever division you wound up in is because that was the perfect spot based on all the algorithm factors for you to wind up in and had your performance been any worse in placements you would have placed lower, in Bronze 6 (yes you will have to imagine a Bronze 6 exists) instead. No matter where you might place in any future events this mentality will help prevent you from feeling as if placements are a complete waste and is a good mental check for yourself to remember to account for the hidden and invisible ranking data the system with holds from you that allow you to have those increased LP gains right after you finish placements (being able to start with +24s and +26s is a lot nicer than where you probably ended last season as most players are seeing only +15-18 by the season end and their peak ranking).

The placements are never really a waste because they do manipulate this hidden info, and its good to keep this in mind when you play them because while it may not help you "place" the account much differently, it will help you immediately after placing should you maintain a solid positive win rate.

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