Flash should not be a summoner spell.

Interesting....

Instead changing the game to allow 2 Summoner Spells + / could we say the current game is really 1 Summoner Spell + / ?

I mean why do we need or want 2 Summoner Spells + / instead of 1?

Like take your idea and subtract 1 from the choice of Summoner Spells and we have the current system basically? With the exception of like with ...

I dunno. Your post is interesting though.

I dont take flash anyways o3o , so ... it doesnt effect meh , Exhaust / ignite is all i use

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Let's not make it ghost vs flash. Just take flash and make it a permanent third summoner spell. Ghost is actually a choice more often than not, and usually doesn't end up being nearly as toxic as flash.

Interesting idea, would be cool to maybe play around with and maybe even try in season 7 (probably season 8 since they need to make up for this season). The difficulty with this becomes that you have to slightly rebalance all the other summoner spells since you'd be allowed to take which could be ridiculously safe for ADCs imo. Combine that with the fact that their supports will probably be bringing (obviously you could take instead of , but that's the same variance you have now). The other roles would have some interesting combinations, but I'm sure someone could think of something that would be pretty good and become standard.

Like I said, it's a good idea, but would definitely take some tweaking to work out all the qwerks it could lead to.

But the "dominant strategy" as you put it is applicable to every role in the game.

Jungle cannot jungle without smite.

Most mid take ignite.

Most support take exhaust.

Most adc take heal.

Most top take either ignite or teleport.

The variety of what spells are used is generally dictated by role.

Cleanse is rarely if ever used anymore and Barrier is a niche spell.

Flash is almost always needed. And providing a third free spell simply because of one spell's popularity is the wrong direction. The "dominant strategy" or meta would not disappear, it would simply change.

Kid Kanji: I laud you. I too used to avoid flash (because everyone told me I had to have it and I wanted to prove them wrong). Ultimately it just made me have to compensate for being weaker.

Bimclunk: Our current system is, for all intents and purposes, exactly as you describe it: / + one summner spell. Doing anything else is sub-optimal. I suggested / + 2 because I assumed that the original game design offered two summoners to allow some diversity in summoner choices, something we don't really see right now. Adding a little more complexity and using more of the summoner spells could potentially make the game more interesting.

While it would make early engages harder, keep in mind that if bot had: on the support and on the adc, it's possible that the jungle would be running or to make the gank more likely to succeed. Or 5 comps are now viable, so if the enemy started barron, suddenly everyone is TPing to the hidden ward that the enemies tried to clear but didn't see. Maybe mid runs as well as , so Galio can be a little more aggressive in-lane without the worries of running out of mana quite so much. Now you have meaningful choices.

Chocolate Frost: The difference between the jungler requiring smite and everyone requiring flash is that the designers deliberately chose to have smite be required to jungle. The sacrifice to jungling is losing one of your summoners to gain the extra experience and gold from the jungle camps. While most times people take summoners by role, there are meaningful choices that can be made at each spot. Mid could just as easily take barrier (Veigar, Vel-Koz), or Teleport (for those tele-ganks). ADC could take ignite instead of heal if partnered with a support who has healing.

Flash doesn't allow a meaningful choice. You either take it or you are significantly less powerful than everyone else.

Flash (or ghost) being mandatory is not a design choice, it's how the game has evolved. It's not that everyone can take it, it's that everyone SHOULD take it. It's disguised as a meaningful choice, but it isn't. Failure to take it is a competitive disadvantage for you.

It's like the homeguard augment on boots. They were taken so frequently that the designers simply decided to add their functionality at the 20-minute mark whether you have boots or not, so now everyone has homeguards.

If an item or ability is so dominant that everyone needs to take it to be competitive, it is not balanced and should either brought into line power-wise with the other choices that you are given for that resource, or simply given to everyone by default. Since nerfing flash will never actually bring it in line with the other summoners without making it nigh-useless, it makes more sense to simply add it as part of the default summoner abilities.

-Hawke

This is the thing, if Riot ever change something so major like this (changing from 2 summoner spells to 3), the community will go absolutely crazy. Remember when mana potions were still here and they removed it? Damn, visited Boards that day and holy crap, so many people are quitting because of that and complaining and all those stuff.

Riot isn't powerful. The community is.

EDIT: Anyways, its just a discussion. I think I like having just two summoner spells :)

lol fuck no.