Can people stop mistaking "unbalanced" with "No longer has a viable counter"?

DW Diana··1 votes·742 views

So yeah, as title.

So many champions who are currently OK in strength are just lacking the champions that used to counter them. I say unbalanced in the title because it swings both ways. Using an example I've used before (This is just ONE example and by using these champions I am not commenting on whether any of them are/aren't in need of buffs/nerfs before people start shouting! xD)

Historically Yasuo is countered by Malzahar, who is countered by Xerath, who is countered by Yasuo. Nice triangle right? xD

Now currently Malzahar doesn't counter Yasuo, so the triangle is kinda broken meaning Yasuo is uncontested (between these 3 champions, not all. Again no shouting xD)

This doesn't mean Xerath is unbalanced, or Yasuo is unbalanced, it just means because of the lack of counter to Yasuo the triangle has been broken.

Now obviously league is far more complex then this triangle (having 120 ish more champions will do that xD) but nevertheless the logic is still sound.

So many champions at the moment are not viable because the champions they COUNTER are not viable, and likewise so many champions that are currently "OP" are just lacking counters.

So rather then saying X champion is busted and need a nerf, or Y champion is currently not viable and therefore needs a buff, can you please first check who their counters are (both ways) and see if maybe THAT might be the problem instead?

Just saying...

--Loki--

6 Comments

Madsin252 votes

Well I mean it doesn't help that yas has been massively buffed and conqueror is just batshit insane on him.

DW Diana1 votes

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Well I mean it doesn't help that yas has been massively buffed and conqueror is just batshit insane on him.

True, but then Malzahar has also recieved a series of nerfs over the last year that make the ADC nerfs look like buffs.

Anywho, the point of the post isn't to say who should or shouldn't receive nerfs/buffs, the point I was making was in this example none of the changes made Xerath need buffs, only to have the champion he counters become viable once again.

So many posts on the boards atm are saying "nerf X, he's broken" or "buff Y, he's useless" I just felt someone should mention this.

Madsin252 votes

True.

Or nerf yas to the ground I would be fine with that tbh.

DW Diana1 votes

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True.

Or nerf yas to the ground I would be fine with that tbh.

You see this is what I mean... Looking at the example in the OP: How would nerfing Yasuo affect the game beyond making him slightly less viable and put Xerath in the position of having no counter? In the live game Hypermobile Hypercarries would still run rampant through mid/top/jungle and all that would have been gained would be a few less people trying to solo carry on a 0/8 yasuo (Xerath would still not be viable :P).

Alternative, looking at the example I used in the OP, concentrating on Malzahar would effectively kill 3 birds with one stone. In the live game working on counters to hypermobile hypercarries would naturally have more effective results then just nerfing those that are performing well due to lacking counters, and buffing those that are being countered...

Madsin251 votes

No buffs at all.

I think that is part of riots balance problem honestly.

They buff the under performing and nerf the over performing champs at the same time.

If they just nerf yas, and then nerf xerath if he beomes to oppressive.(he probably won't) It should be fine.

Other xerath counters are doing just fine though honestly if we take yas out of the picture. (Talon,fizz,Asol,ekko)

DW Diana1 votes

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No buffs at all.

I think that is part of riots balance problem honestly.

They buff the under performing and nerf the over performing champs at the same time.

If they just nerf yas, and then nerf xerath if he beomes to oppressive.(he probably won't) It should be fine.

Other xerath counters are doing just fine though honestly if we take yas out of the picture. (Talon,fizz,Asol,ekko)

This is all hypothetical mate. I'm not saying "Buff this" or "Nerf this" I'm just saying consider their counters. That's why i keep referring to the example I put in the OP...

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