Assassins

Baunjo··1 votes·628 views

Most of the complaints I see about champions being over-tuned or unbalanced happen to be about assassins. I would like to hear from whoever reads this what they think makes assassins do so well?

EDIT: This is not a time for you to teach me. I just kinda wanna see how much of the community actually knows what makes them strong

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Akali is SO HOT2 votes

Bronze and Silver players feed the shit outta snowbally assassins which makes them good. When you get higher up the ladder you will see that assassins are much weaker than they are in Bronze and Silver because players don't feed them as much.

MudintheWater1 votes

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Wild Wes1 votes

Fizz is awesome! <3 Fizz

BastionKross1 votes

The assassin playstyle is toxic at it's base. When Riot designs an assassin, the assassin's job is:

  1. Go in.
  2. Burst down high priority target quickly.
  3. Escape.

That play pattern is very toxic to play against if pulled off well. Many team comps simply don't have the tools to stop the first and third part. Poppy's new W can, so hopefully Riot will be making more abilities along that vein.

Akali is SO HOT2 votes

Well if you make a team comp with no CC in it then yes that will happen but if you do do that then you sorta deserve to get pubstomped by the enemy team

BastionKross2 votes

You can't just have CC. Try to hit Leblanc with a skillshot CC and tell me how well you're able to pull that off on a consistent basis. Mobility (which many assassins have in abundance to do their job) can be used to avoid a large amount of CC, even if incidentally instead of on purpose.

Taric still has his point and click stun (for as long as that lasts, as he's next for an update), Veigar still has his E that stops movement in a large AoE, Poppy has her W that's similar. The more options you have to reliably lockdown a mobile assassin, the less toxic that core gameplay is.

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

If you are somehow unable to CC a squishy champion that has to go into the middle of your team to kill someone and then burst them down for an easy kill then you deserve to lose. Just because someone has mobility doesn't mean they are invincible

BastionKross1 votes

I never made the claim that mobile champions are invincible.

I'm stating that mobility confers a measure of safety. Which it does; it makes dodging skillshots much easier, and allows for more escape opportunities.

Baunjo1 votes

Not really. Assassins thrive off of people putting themselves in a stupid position, assassins happen to be the best at exploiting this, and low ELO players happen to have the worst positioning. You cannot peel for someone who is trying to go melee range as an ADC.

Irelia Bot1 votes

So basically you are in a team with no on demand CC to stop a Kat ult or Master Yi?

I am going to say that the rape victim asked for it.

And I will say that I played akali to get out of bronze in season 2 but once I got to a point where enough silvers were getting Oracle's Elixir that I could no longer go in on an enemy, put down shroud and use the invisibility to get kills all the time it was no longer easy to win with akali.

Same goes with Riki in dota 2 where he will carry the shit out of low skill matches but once players know how to counter him it becomes much harder to consistently win playing him.

BadmoonBC1 votes

Low Elos suck at positioning and therefore can't do well vs assassins. They are also the best snowballing champs. Hence, complaints.

Baunjo1 votes

I'm glad someone knew this. Thank you for posting! I already knew what makes assassins strong but I wanted to hear it from someone else

idontplaythemeta1 votes

Cause low elo players feel like there is no counterplay. Ironic considering I'm bronze somthing but I blame it on elo hell.

Baunjo1 votes

Wait you seriously think you are in bronze because of ELO hell?

idontplaythemeta1 votes

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Wait you seriously think you are in bronze because of ELO hell?

A wee bit but not entirely. Plus my definition on elo hell is a bit different than just "its not my fault it's the fact that my team sucks."

Baunjo1 votes

If you think for even a second that you are in bronze 4 because of anyone else but yourself you are completely and totally wrong.

  1. Your CS is terrible. You really need to learn how to CS

  2. You die way too much, no excuse. I am guilty of it too, don't worry.

  3. You really do not ward enough

Just a few things that you can work on based off what I see in your match history. Arvua!

idontplaythemeta1 votes

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If you think for even a second that you are in bronze 4 because of anyone else but yourself you are completely and totally wrong.

  1. Your CS is terrible. You really need to learn how to CS

  2. You die way too much, no excuse. I am guilty of it too, don't worry.

  3. You really do not ward enough

Just a few things that you can work on based off what I see in your match history. Arvua!

I'm sorry that me the support has terrible fucken cs. Andbevrrytime I die generally with the intention of taking objectives or to win a teamfights. Did you bother to look at other players deaths in my matches? I guess you can't tell I'm support but Jesus don't go assuming things. Also I buy sighstone and ward throughout the entire game so don't gimme that I don't ward crap. If you fucken notice in my ranked games I have the most wards placed outtof my entire team combined in damn near every match.

Pasta Help Desk1 votes

Unlike other champion classes in the game assassins have some of the biggest snowball potential in the game. It is very hard as a laner to make a come back when you fall behind even a little. Because of this most people feel like they never had a chance from the beginning or that these champs have no counter play.

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

People pick squishy teams and feed. Tanks are usually boring and slow, so they are not popular. Feeding assasins is not very smart, but happens often. (Katarina is permabanned in Bronze!)

DREADN0UGHT1 votes

I'll start by saying I love to play assassins, and I'm really glad to see they are getting a little more breathing room in pre-season with the new mastery system and all.

One assassin I've never played, ever, is Nocturne.

I'm just curious as to what he is thought of currently. He clearly is not a popular pick in silver/ gold as i barely ever see him. But when he is picked..man..

I see him as a high utility assassin rather than a high burst one. His fear, spell shield, ms increasing ability and his ulti: a global blind. All of these kinda really make him sticky in a team fight. And that is what i really wanted to talk about:

In the recent changes to Quinn's blind, i can't stop hoping Riot is actually testing a new blind mechanic to implement on other champs.

Nocturne being a sticky assassin with decent CC, I'm really hoping he could have his ult modified to the same type of blind mechanic as quinn.

I just feel like his ability to blind entire teams is obnoxious and perhaps a small nerf to that specific thing alongside small buffs for extra survivability would make him a more balanced and viable pick?

Lajneen1 votes

Low elo players hates Assassins because they're neither skilled enough to play them nor play against them. Since the majority of the playerbase is low elo you mostly see people cry about Assassins here.

Don't worry, nobody takes these people seriously.

Troy2426211 votes
  1. Low coordination in lower ranked matches particularly allows for people to be picked off more easily, and provides less protection to their squishies. This lack of coordination is something that assassins prey upon.

  2. If an assassin gets ahead, they often can snowball, and it's tough to shut down without coordination which is again, sorely lacking often times.

This isn't all of it, but these are elements that I think are often overlooked.

Its All Skillzz1 votes

only assassins i hate are Talon Fizz Zed these 3 are obnoxious at any elo and require almost 0 effort/skill to kill someone squishy.

Troy2426211 votes

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only assassins i hate are Talon Fizz Zed these 3 are obnoxious at any elo and require almost 0 effort/skill to kill someone squishy.

You haven't played against a skilled Shaco if he isn't on your "this pisses me off" list.

Baunjo1 votes

They definitely do not take no skill to kill someone squishy... That's just ignorance

Troy2426211 votes

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They definitely do not take no skill to kill someone squishy... That's just ignorance

That's ridiculous. Assassins are squishy, and if you CC them (Barring certain exceptions) they're as good as dead. Or does that take more skill >_>?

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