Titanic Hydra needs to be removed from league

Rewt··2 votes·2,768 views

Tanks are tanks, not damage dealers. Why do we have an item in the game whos specific purpose is to make tanks do damage by scaling off of HP. right now with the insane state of trinity tanks can build trinity and a titanic and do more damage than ADCs.

Titanic has caused more problems for leagues balance than any other item really. it just doesnt have a place in the game. it makes building tank almost always the best option because if you are an auto attack based champ then you dont really miss out on damage by going tank.

I cant really see a place where titanic isnt ridiculous. You dont build it on damage dealers because Rav is better. Tanks need to be retuned back to what they are meant for and that includes retuning the items. Tanks are meant to soak damage and CC things. NOT out damage their ADCs.

Many people are complaining about the balance of champions, but to be honest most of the problems with champion balance is really in the items atm. Hecarim for example seems very powerful, but is this because he is OP. no. its because his core item is over tuned. I watched a hecarim not build Trinity and he did absolutely nothing that whole game. he just didnt have the damage. Trinity is so insane that its causing champs that use it as a core to be able to build tanky and still do a lot of damage. and because of this its making titanic such an attractive item because you can just increase your damage so much by building it on top of the already busted trinityforce

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EndlessSorcerer5 votes

Many tanks don't even bother buying it since they generally have AoE abilities and Sunfire Cape for waveclear.

It is more commonly purchased by fighters.

Requiemsfire4 votes

It's not for damage, it's for waveclear and the damage it deals isn't that great nor do I think its problematic to the scale you are arguing because the champions who benefit most from hydra are those who benefit from stacking health and have no wave-clear. Furthermore, you haven't really shown why it's ridiculous or OP and just simply spouted a ton of adjectives without providing any evidence.

Going on to talk about It's AD counterpart and trinity force rather than actually back up your argument seems disingenuous at best.

Fondling Gems3 votes

This^

Titanic is, at it's core, an On hit item. Tanks don't generally have AA resets nor do they have high AS. It mostly functions on helping clearing waves and allowing bruisers, who do have decent AS and often have some AA resets to function as partial tanks.

Also it isn't wrong for tanks to do damage. Tanks have to do damage. If they don't then there is no reason to focus them, If you could ignore a tank then you could just walk past the frontline because your backline would be in no danger. Tanks have to be a threat or they don't function. The only champions that can get away with not doing damage are those that heal/shield their allies like Soraka. If champions like that are Tanks then they can't die because if you try to kill them their Carry will kill you and if you try to kill the carry then they will just protect the carry.

As such tanks still have to do damage and have kill pressure or they don't function.

Rewt1 votes

The reason i talk about its AD counterpart is because the item is a tank version of that item. Why are we putting in tank versions of strong damage items? Should we make an item that does what zhonyas does, but gives 600HP???? Short answer, no. so why have we done it with Rav. Also the reason i bring up trinity is that trinity is one of the reasons Titanic is so strong due to the combination of the 2 items.

Requiemsfire1 votes

Should we make an item that does what zhonyas does, but gives 600HP????

?? In what way does titanic hydra act anything remotely like Zhonya's?

MinaZer01 votes

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Rebonack2 votes

Titanic is an item for Divers and Juggernauts.

Not Tanks.

Variks the Loyal2 votes

Titanic Hydra isn't an item for tanks, it's an item for Fighters, more specifically for Juggernauts, though tanky Divers can use it too.

Renekton RekSai Skarner Kled Olaf Volibear Warwick Vi all can use Titanic in the right circumstances, and they're all Fighters.

The only tank, I know of, that uses Titanic semi-regularly is Sion, and certainly not if he's his team's only tank.

Akenero2 votes

Except you have to get close to someone. And as for most broken item, nowhere CLOSE Feral flare Runeglaive Devourer Guinsoo's

Rewt1 votes

Feral Flare - was OP so it was removed.....

Runeglaive - was OP so it was nerfed.......

Dev - was SUPER opressive so it was nerfed hard, then removed......

Guinsoo's - was OP so it was nerfed......

I see a trend..... do you?

Titanic Hydra - strong because tanks/divers build it with a trinity so that they have a shit ton of damage..........

Ralanr2 votes

It's barely much damage. You need over 4K to do more than 40 damage per wave.

Ultimate Deadpoo1 votes

{quoted}

Feral Flare - was OP so it was removed.....

Runeglaive - was OP so it was nerfed.......

Dev - was SUPER opressive so it was nerfed hard, then removed......

Guinsoo's - was OP so it was nerfed......

I see a trend..... do you?

Titanic Hydra - strong because tanks/divers build it with a trinity so that they have a shit ton of damage..........

Titanic was already nerfed. A long time ago, like late season 5 early season 6 about. It's base damage was changed from 75 to 35.

And also, I haven't noticed any problem with titanic. I think your just complaining about nothing.

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

Why do we have an item in the game whos specific purpose is to make tanks do damage by scaling off of HP

The reason Titanic and Ravenous Hydra exists is because...

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FioraWillCarry2 votes

If a tank building Trinity and Titanic is out-damaging you as and Marksman AD carry, then you're doing something terribly wrong. Bruisers' damage scale in a linear fashion, a correctly build AD carry has multiplicative scaling. That's like comparing a nuke to a hand grenade. Both will seriously fuck you up but one is obviously way more powerful.

Rewt1 votes

im seeing things like Irelia building those items and their q will take off like 1/2 to 3/4 of our ADCs hp. im seeing it way too much.

Ralanr2 votes

And you're showcasing something I see too often.

Irelia is not outdamaging you. She is just doing enough damage in a short time to take you out.

A full build ADC is going to have more damage potential than a full build Irelia.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

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im seeing things like Irelia building those items and their q will take off like 1/2 to 3/4 of our ADCs hp. im seeing it way too much.

Irelia is not doing those things to someone who builds armor and a little bit of HP.

Ever seen what 80% crit, 200+ AD with item 3036 this can do to a full build tank ?

Lord Discord1 votes

the titanic hydra is for JUGGERNAUTS who build hp and damage

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