DFG Removal - Why I'm Glad

L33K Senpai·Jan 28, 2015·3 votes·1,874 views

People have recently begun to run around like their heads have been chopped off because of DFG's removal and it bothers me to a great extent because Riot explained that it created some really unhealthy scenarios and provided an easy overkill. I just want to know why it has such a negative appeal to remove DFG (It could just be human nature of being afraid of change). I thought that with DFG's removal - it would stop mages from becoming assassins (like Ahri). So again, why do you think DFG's removal is good/bad?

14 Comments

SeoSeBomJan 28, 20153 votes

Ahri is an assassin -.-

zzuitJan 28, 20151 votes

not anymore

Drunk RummateJan 28, 20151 votes

DFG's removal was a great idea, but changing Ahri from an assassin to a mage was not.

Done25Jan 28, 20151 votes

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DFG's removal was a great idea, but changing Ahri from an assassin to a mage was not.

Ahri is now more of an assassin than she ever was thanks to the huge speed boost on Q.

ValyrianBladeJan 28, 20154 votes

I disagree here. An assassin gets in, gets the job done (then preferably gets out alive).

Old Ahri, even without DFG, could get in, land a charm, finish her combo, get the kill, then use 1-2 remaining charges of her ult (or flash, or simply run, or if only 1 character do nothing) to get out alive.

New Ahri can get in, deal damage, then get out alive. Notice what's missing, the kill. Unless the enemy is already weakened (in which case any tank/bruiser/fighter could also get the job done) Ahri isn't going to be securing the kill (at least not quickly). She'll definitely be capable of chasing until either she gets the kill or gets killed, but more often than not it will be the latter because the carry will deal more damage back. Or she can go in and do 100 - 20 on the carry and get out, but what good is that? Someone else is going to have to go in and finish the job.

Kite-assassins don't work. Theoretically at least. I could be wrong. My thought though is, if she's capable of killing you in a full combo (in order to be an assassin) why in the world would anyone chase her (to let her kite)? If she's kiting you (as a kite-mage) then she can't assassinate you, she can only slowly drain your health until it's too late for you to realize to turn around and run and then she can try to engage (which requires the enemy choosing to fight, an assassin would choose when they fight though not let the enemy decide).

Riot says Zed was a healthy assassin when he's the farthest thing from it. He's an assassin AND a split pusher AND an objective take AND a 1v1 duelist rolled in to one super overpowered champion. Ahri WAS the HEALTHIEST assassin in all of league. She NEEDED to land charm to pull off an assassination (one of the harder to land skillshots in the game), she had lots of counterplay, and she wasn't good for much else other than waveclear and getting picks (again using her charm). She couldn't split push very well, she got dominated by duelists in 1v1 duels if she couldn't burst them 100-0. If they wanted a kite mage, they should have made a new champion, don't change an existing one that some people liked.

Lancer1986Jan 28, 20152 votes

i believe what they said about Ahri is that she was always meant to be a kite mage not a combo kill assassin but I was half listening to the patch run down so i may be wrong. Zed has been nerfed as well lowering his base attack speed i believe. The only thing taken from ahri has been the damage increase buff from her charm but other mechanics were added. This is also the start of quite a few tweaks riot will be doing to help people cope with the loss of their precious DFG (LoL) and buffing/rebuffing various mages is part of it...not more getting one shotted by an AP malph with it anymore!

ProvengreilJan 28, 20151 votes

that's exactly what they said, but were forced to balance around the option of DFG because if they ignored it, DFG ahri is instantly OP and on permaban.

ValyrianBladeJan 29, 20151 votes

What you said about her being intended to be a kite mage is true. The problem is she's been an assassin for well over a year. So players have bought and practiced the champion with the assassin playstyle and mained her with that identity.

It's NEVER acceptable to change a champion's identity. That's exactly what Riot has been saying with all of their nerfs and buffs, they want to keep the identity. Well ahri's identity, like it or not, was as an assassin. They changed her identity They didn't even need to, keeping the assassin potential on her charm wouldn't have prevented her being built as a kite mage with rylais and morellonomicon and lucidity boots (first three items for 40% cdr, no mana problems, and a slow), while still allowing zhonya's/rabadon's/void staff for an assassin core build. Instead, they force her away from the assassin role, the primary reason most ahri mains played her.

It would have been infinitely better to just introduce a new champion as a kite mage instead of changing an assassin in to one.

RetroCopJan 28, 20151 votes

The problem with current assassins is that they literally have no weakness after a certain point in the game if played well. My main point maker is Zed. I've played Zed enough and well enough to know what his weaknesses and strengths are. Zed scales super hard after level 8 by acquiring just a item 3144 and a item 3134 . After those items he has enough damage to kill you from half to nothing. With every champion, there MUST be a weakness. With Zed, there really is no weakness if you know how to play him. Unless you just throw your shadow around every second it's up. Zed can initiate into the most dangerous situations and secure a kill with little to no consequences. While other champions that cannot instantly pop you are struggling to return poke because of mana situations, Zed is still forcing you out of lane with ease while not worrying about an escape route because of his W and his ult if need be. The same situation goes with LeBlanc. I've played LeBlanc recently and purposely stopped farming after 15 minutes, because it was easier to just get kills and help other lanes push while instilling demoralization in our opponents just by a simple combo, with no risk. This is how I currently see most assassins at the moment. High risk, little consequences. Removing the DFG in my opinion was a good move on Riots part because once a champion like Ahri, Akali or LeBlanc got it, that meant GG in mid lane, and possibly other lanes depending on personal skill.

PLN Terra MesaJan 28, 20151 votes

DFG's removal is great...turns champs like Katarina into Skill champs instead of click to win..

ccseancc143Jan 28, 20151 votes

I absolutely hated going against Annie. The no skill dfg spam keyboard champ/

DrCyanideJan 28, 20151 votes

I'm horrible with Active Items. Removing DFG removes 1/2 the active items commonly picked by APC's, thus lowering the mechanical skill needed for these roles.