This is too funny

AceBlack·Aug 8, 2015·106 votes·10,548 views

So Morde's rework is just plain weird. I don't think there's any dispute about that. Literally taking him to the one lane he almost never plays and then changing him to fit that lane.

But that's not what I'm here to talk about. I'm here to talk about you, Gameplay & Balance.

Four new reworks. Darius, Garen, Skarner, and Morde. All four of them changing quite a bit about their respective champions. Darius was apparently pretty good from the get-go, and the other two, while having rough starts, are shaping up to something resembling decent. RiRepertoir is doing his best to listen to the boards and adjust based on feedback, so the improvement of quality is to be expected.

So the only one left is Morde, worked on by Riot's own CertainlyT. He's not absorbing any feedback, and steamrolling through with his vision of bot lane Morde. You have expressed your discontent, and have been summarily ignored. And CT is totally, 100% in the right.

Tell me something G&B, is telling the same joke for the five-hundreth time still funny? Because every time someone posts "Fire CertaintlyT" it seems to get no less than 20 upvotes. Do you get some sort of thrill when you call him a cocksucker to his face when he's trying to get feedback? Do you think that treating him like a piece of shit will get him to miraculously balance better?

And here's the punchline: you people are actually, genuinely confused when Rioters then decide they have better things to do with their time then get feces flung at them by a board doing a collective impression of a troop of chimpanzees.

This happened with another Rioter, a beloved parrot by the name of IronStylus. And now he doesn't visit all that much anymore. He realized that there's no point in talking with you unless he desperately wants to get rid of his sanity. And now CT's realizing it too.

http://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-batman-applause-I9vT2KZwact0c

And good on him, I say.

129 Comments

xJLx MCHammerAug 8, 201577 votes

Probably because even from the start, he never really listen to feedback

AceBlackAug 8, 201516 votes

I have a link saved from all the way back to pre-Yasuo release of him answering questions only tangentially related to balance. I was certainly not the only one. He listened and he listened damn well. Until the community decided to fuck it up.

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=43216872

xJLx MCHammerAug 8, 201528 votes

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I have a link saved from all the way back to pre-Yasuo release of him answering questions only tangentially related to balance. I was certainly not the only one. He listened and he listened damn well. Until the community decided to fuck it up.

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=43216872 I was there. I think you are misunderstanding taking part of a discussion and listening to feedback. There is a thin line that is a big difference

If you go to a debate with a conclusion already in your mind, you won't be taking feedback. Riot in general tends to participate in discussions but does not take feeedback. Feedback is like what they just did with Skarner where people made it clear that they want his movement doped. Riot said they will see how it works and actually gave him his speed back

AceBlackAug 8, 20157 votes

You mean Riot Repetoir. He'll take feedback just as well as CT until the toxic wastedump of a community decides its time. Then he'll be harangued on the forums until he no longer visits. And then you'll complain he doesn't listen to feedback. Just like with CertainlyT. Just like with IronStylus. Just like with every other Rioter who learned their lesson the hard way.

Look, you can turn CT into your personal sandbag all you want. But unless you're trying to pull off a bizarre comedy, don't act as if he's the one at fault when he cuts communication.

xJLx MCHammerAug 8, 201528 votes

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You mean Riot Repetoir. He'll take feedback just as well as CT until he does something the community doesn't like. Then he'll be harangued on the forums until he no longer visits. And then you'll complain he doesn't listen to feedback. Just like with CertainlyT. Just like with IronStylus. Just like with every other Rioter who learned their lesson the hard way.

Look, you can turn CT into your personal sandbag all you want. But unless you're trying to pull off a bizarre comedy, don't act as if he's the one at fault when he cuts communication.

You seem to lack understanding. No one blames ct for bad design or the fact he doesn't participate in debates. He is not open minded. I said it before and I'll say it again. He goes into topic to explain his train of thoughts and reasoning behind the changes. No amount of feedback will make him change his mind

They changes Skarner and garen. We can't change that the rework will happen. Yet the people in charge LISTEN to the feedback. He participate and take feed back; they can't stop the rework but they make small changes. Look at Skarner; they gave movement speed back. Look at garend they gave him more resistance.

Morde? Lol ok

You can't blame people for being pissed. As a company you should try to take feedback instead his doesnt

TheFirstGokunAug 8, 20151 votes

Skarner, Garen and Darius have something that Mordekaiser didn't have: the same role. That's why it's so easy to compare to live values and accept what the "community" (the board-goers, however many there may be) says as relevant feedback. That's why their changes were instant. Morde is a much more daunting task, akin to Skarner's rework, except it's trying to move him into a different role. Maybe the motivations behind that movement are flawed, but give it more than just 5 days if you please.

Trash ADC BtwAug 8, 20155 votes

Five Solid days of playtesting don't seem to have yielded any positive results. Literally every person I've seen talk about this anywhere online is reporting that nothing you build works on him. At all.

AMYS GRAVEAug 8, 201548 votes

This is a good example actually, CertainlyT in that link isn't actually taking feedback. He's explaining what he has already done and not actually adapting anything to the feedback. No changes were made based on your post there, despite many of your proposals making perfect sense in gameplay as well as thematically that could have made Yasuo less frustrating to play against.

junglerboy16Aug 8, 20152 votes

Eh, he used a bad example, but he's right that CertainlyT did respond to his questions candidly and appropriately.

AceBlack had 3 questions, CertainlyT answered those questions specifically. How is that in any way related to taking feedback well or not well?

Trash ADC BtwAug 8, 20156 votes

The point is that CertainlyT doesn't take criticism into account, nor player concern, when designing or redesigning any champion. From everything I've seen, doing some detective work, this is 100% accurate.

junglerboy16Aug 8, 20152 votes

That very well may be true, but I still ask how does CertainlyT answering someones questions about a kit mean he's unable to take feedback?

I definitely agree that he has a tendency to explain his reasoning rather than take someone else's feedback into real consideration, but AceBlack's example was about how CertainlyT used to listen to players and respond really well, not anything about how he behaves currently.

Angry MonsterAug 8, 20153 votes

Answering a why about a kit is not feedback, that is answering a question. You are reinforcing your stance

Feed back would be addressing the concerns of people (comments), making changes or even asking why people feel this way.

CertainlyT does none of this and i pretty sure i remember him saying along time ago that he does not care about public criticism of his projects. He is going to do what he feels needs to be done no matter what. The problem is that usually he is wrong and hides behind the "it is fun" defense.

Trash ADC BtwAug 8, 20153 votes

This. This comment sums up exactly what I was about to say.

AMYS GRAVEAug 9, 20153 votes

Me too.

FistOfSharkieshaAug 8, 20156 votes

Exactly. He's on a mission to prove his pre-existing beliefs, not learn or improve on the champion design.

AMYS GRAVEAug 9, 20154 votes

He is coming into the conversation with his mind made up. His answers reflect this as they are explinations that marginalize AceBlack's contribution to the conversation by answering in a manner that one might oversimplify into "this is why you are wrong and i did things this way instead." CT has a tendancy to do this, and not acknowledge the reasoning behind well thought out feedback. Even if it is wrong his answer should be more along the lines of "I see you are concerned about X and that might lead to a worse overall experience. We are doing Y about that".

With the Yasuo comment particularly CT never addressed the thematic misfit between the character and the kit/playstyle. Yasuo is a ronin (who thematically works best alone) who greatly benefits from having knockup synergy from his team (working best with allies). A ronin seems like they should be single target thematically but his kit is centered around full team wombos, why? These are very valid points brought up to him that he fails to address.

TurquoiseYoshiAug 8, 201532 votes

The thing is, there was a comment on the Morde rework thread that asked if Morde would be able to counter kiting in any way. CertainlyT's response was to find a teammate to prevent an enemy from kiting you. He apparently cannot find a way to put Morde in a solo lane, despite people asking and giving suggestions. When your response to: "Why are you gutting X in favor of Y?" is: "I can't find a way for Y to be healthy.", I wouldn't trust you on a champion rework. Skarner had worse initial feedback, but RiotRepertoir didn't just ignore feedback and stop listening to everyone. He adjusted the champion to player requests.

AceBlackAug 8, 20154 votes

You see, the difference us, Repertoir didn't have the forums constantly dragging his name through mud for months and then immediately getting personally attacked by all and sundry. At least, not yet.

Speaking of comments to CertainlyT, can you think of any that might have persuaded him to say to himself "Yeah, maybe talking with these guys isn't very productive."

TurquoiseYoshiAug 8, 201516 votes

http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/KhcvQBlG-mordekaiser-change-summary-feedback-thread

There were many comments from concerned Morde players. CertainlyT didn't respond to some of those. There were definitely a lot of people hating on CertainlyT, but some people were genuinely concerned about Morde. The thing is, CertainlyT obviously was looking at these concerned players, and ignored them. Players who have played Mordekaiser for years and mained him and enjoyed his playstyle, all disappointed by his changes. Disappointed Skarner players and disappointed Garen players are all completely satisfied now, but Morde has not been modified to meet player demand.

AceBlackAug 8, 20155 votes

You are the first person in this thread to acknowledge maybe the community made a whoopsie. I offer you my congratulations.

In return, I'll make this concession: CT isn't listening. There are thoughtful comments in that thread he is ignoring, and I personally think that he should be addressing them. However, I completely understand him.

I'm addressing just 3 people right now and I find it exhausting. He's dealing with the entire fanbase of Morde on these boards. Among those, ad-hominem attacks abound. Even if they don't make up the majority, it gets tiring very fast. Especially when it isn't even your job to be trawling around on the boards in the first place.

TurquoiseYoshiAug 8, 201513 votes

The community isn't helping CT much, and CT isn't listening to the community much. Even if it isn't his job to be on the Boards, it is his job to make the best, most balanced, and most fun version of Mordekaiser. The community can help him on that.

AceBlackAug 8, 20157 votes

The situation in a nutshell. Now how could we encourage him to come back and listen?

xJLx MCHammerAug 8, 20155 votes

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The situation in a nutshell. Now how could we encourage him to come back and listen?

You act like its on us. You understand as consumers they have to do that to us? How can they make us believe they listen to our feedbacks. It's not on us to kiss their assses

CosnirakAug 8, 20152 votes

"You act like its on us."

That's because it is.

"You understand as consumers they have to do that to us?"

Clearly you've never heard of this company called Comcast. xD

"How can they make us believe they listen to our feedbacks."

You say 'listen' but you mean 'obey'. Riot's job isn't even to listen to us, let alone obey us. They should listen, but they shouldn't obey. And they do listen, but they don't obey. Please learn the difference and remember it. You benefit from it.

Imagine if all the people you've ever destroyed hard enough in a game to make them wish your champion was nerfed simply got what they want. That would be Riot obeying. Of course it would also cause Riot to do a billion contradictory things. Just remember that the game is full of people who disagree with you on what should be done and how it should be done and realize forum upvotes do not equal community consensus let alone correct analysis.

AMYS GRAVEAug 8, 20153 votes

"You act like its on us."

That's because it is.

We owe him civility, nothing more, nothing less.

"You understand as consumers they have to do that to us?"

Clearly you've never heard of this company called Comcast. xD

I don't really think you want to / we should be using comcast as a business model. There are some fundamental differences in buisness policy there.

"How can they make us believe they listen to our feedbacks."

You say 'listen' but you mean 'obey'. Riot's job isn't even to listen to us, let alone obey us. They should listen, but they shouldn't obey. And they do listen, but they don't obey. Please learn the difference and remember it. You benefit from it.

That's fair, but if they are listening to our feedback there would be some changes of some kind, like with garen and skarner. I care less about specific changes and more about basic feedback loops and communication.

Imagine if all the people you've ever destroyed hard enough in a game to make them wish your champion was nerfed simply got what they want. That would be Riot obeying. Of course it would also cause Riot to do a billion contradictory things. Just remember that the game is full of people who disagree with you on what should be done and how it should be done and realize forum upvotes do not equal community consensus let alone correct analysis.

There is a huge difference between giving in to every QQ thread and taking basic feedback into account. Playing it off like listening to the community is in opposition to basic balance is the falsest of dichotomies.

If we aren't going to listen to the feedback on the forum and community consensus then why make a thread called "Mordekaiser Change Summary & Feedback Thread"? Who are they supposed to listen to if not those who are speaking up?

CosnirakAug 8, 20151 votes

"We owe him civility, nothing more, nothing less."

Pretty sure no one is asking for more. If they are, they're probably being unreasonable.

"I don't really think you want to / we should be using comcast as a business model. There are some fundamental differences in buisness policy there."

That's the point. Riot could be assholes like Comcast and still make pretty good money. But they aren't assholes.

"but if they are listening to our feedback there would be some changes of some kind"

No, that is 100% false. And that was my point. Listening to us doesn't mean they do anything different in terms of changes (or lack of changes) to the game. Listening to us doesn't mean we are guaranteed seeing ANY difference as a result of that listening. Ideally they don't just listen, they also say stuff back that lets us know they hear us. But even then it doesn't mean they do things differently to the game.

"There is a huge difference between giving in to every QQ thread and taking basic feedback into account. Playing it off like listening to the community is in opposition to basic balance is the falsest of dichotomies."

You're right that there's a difference. But an equally false dichotomy is saying that they don't listen to us at all every time they don't make any change some thread wants. The point is that they DO make some changes based on our feedback and so any claim that they're doing things wrong just because they don't do what some upvoted thread wants is total bullshit.

"If we aren't going to listen to the feedback on the forum and community consensus then why make a thread called "Mordekaiser Change Summary & Feedback Thread"? Who are they supposed to listen to if not those who are speaking up?"

They absolutely are listening. That doesn't mean they agree. That doesn't mean they obey. That only means they listen.

There was a huge community backlash against jungle timers, the new rift, and many other big and crazy stuff Riot has done. The new HUD? HUGE backlash! What did Riot do? Fix the actual problems instead of obeying the QQers and canceling the whole thing or giving people the option to use the old HUD. They listened, and in that case they agreed with SOME of the feedback and so they did something about it. Ya know who's feedback Riot did something about in regards to the new HUD? The people who were reasonable and mentioned particular issues they had.

Did you know that the VAST majority of players are ridiculously bad at balancing League? Riot is well aware of that. And even then they still occasionally do what people on the forums suggest in regards to balance, because sometimes they're good suggestions. When people in that feedback thread on Morde give good suggestions Riot will do something about it. For the most part it's easy for players to talk about issues of feel and give meaningful feedback on that so I suggest people focus their energies on that.

AMYS GRAVEAug 8, 20152 votes

"but if they are listening to our feedback there would be some changes of some kind"

No, that is 100% false. And that was my point. Listening to us doesn't mean they do anything different in terms of changes (or lack of changes) to the game. Listening to us doesn't mean we are guaranteed seeing ANY difference as a result of that listening. Ideally they don't just listen, they also say stuff back that lets us know they hear us. But even then it doesn't mean they do things differently to the game.

Really would be, Meddler listens to our feedback and that's why things like veigars ult missle size got changed for example. When you listen to feedback there are SOME changes, even if they aren't ALL the changes or the exact changes we would like. With CT the constructive suggestions aren't getting any recognition and that is the problem.

You're right that there's a difference. But an equally false dichotomy is saying that they don't listen to us at all every time they don't make any change some thread wants. The point is that they DO make some changes based on our feedback and so any claim that they're doing things wrong just because they don't do what some upvoted thread wants is total bullshit.

Yeah, I'm not pointing to any one thread that hasn't been listened to, i'm referencing all the morde threads because they have ALL been ignored with no changes coming from them. Also that wouldn't be an example of a false dichotomy... you might want to look up what that means.

The new HUD? HUGE backlash! What did Riot do? Fix the actual problems instead of obeying the QQers and canceling the whole thing or giving people the option to use the old HUD.

A perfect example because they didn't give in to the qq threads, but they did take feedback into account and we have seen changes as a result. font changes, layout changes, bug fixes.... I'm not asking for them to stop the Morde rework, but they need to take feedback into account, which CT isn't doing. That's the problem.

When people in that feedback thread on Morde give good suggestions Riot will do something about it.

There is plenty of quality suggestions in the Morde feedback thread. There is a lot of crap too but that isn't an excuse to ignore the good suggestions that they already have been given.

CosnirakAug 8, 20151 votes

"Really would be, Meddler listens to our feedback and that's why things like veigars ult missle size got changed for example. When you listen to feedback there are SOME changes, even if they aren't ALL the changes or the exact changes we would like."

How many times does it take for you to get it? SOME changes on any particular issue are NEVER guaranteed just because they listen to feedback. Some changes in the scope of all Riot ever? Yeah, you can call that guaranteed because they listen. But any one particular issue? Nope, 0 guarantee. And that's both entirely reasonable and exactly how it should be. No amount of QQ should guarantee even a small change. The moment it does is the moment Riot fails massively and their job changes from making a great game to fixing what people complain about.

"With CT the constructive suggestions aren't getting any recognition and that is the problem." - "Yeah, I'm not pointing to any one thread that hasn't been listened to, i'm referencing all the morde threads because they have ALL been ignored with no changes coming from them."

You're talking about a single person from Riot not publicly responding to what amounts to almost nothing but the same few points repeated. And the more people make threads like this bitching about it and saying CT sucks the more I don't blame him for not talking to the public about it at all.

This is also the biggest craziest change in a while and clearly Riot talked about it before hand and greenlighted the general idea so all the people saying scrap the whole duo lane Morde idea are mostly wasting their time. Most of the remotely decent feedback has come VERY recently. Today is Saturday. The next patch is still a little way off. Everybody needs some patience before bringing out the pitchforks.

"Also that wouldn't be an example of a false dichotomy... you might want to look up what that means."

I looked it up just to double check (seriously). Yeah it's a false dichotomy.

"but they need to take feedback into account, which CT isn't doing. That's the problem."

You literally can't possibly know if that's true or not. You don't talk to him. You don't watch his every move. You definitely can't read his mind. You can see that he hasn't said anything to the public about it and hasn't changed anything on the PBE yet. None of that means he isn't listening. Maybe later today he'll post in a thread about it. Maybe in 3 days there will be a change to the Morde update on the PBE. You can't know and every time you act like you can you're part of the problem, part of why so many Rioters don't feel ok talking to the public all the time.

"There is plenty of quality suggestions in the Morde feedback thread."

In. Your. Opinion. You are not always right. Riot might even already be working on implementing those suggestions you think are good. Their #1 priority is making a good game, not telling you how they're making a good game. Personally without getting to play it on the PBE myself I don't feel even slightly comfortable saying whether I think the Morde update needs to be changed at all.

AMYS GRAVEAug 9, 20152 votes

Your entire set of posts here is nothing but a straw man of what I'm saying, so there is nothing productive to be gained from our continued conversation. Good day sir.

AMYS GRAVEAug 9, 20152 votes

Feedback threads are not 'design by poll' sessions.

The fact that you think that is what i'm saying is the straw man. Right there.

DrMarshSwampAug 8, 20158 votes

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The situation in a nutshell. Now how could we encourage him to come back and listen?

The biggest thing that needs to be changed is to have more people post constructive feedback over a Champions changes, and have CertainlyT actually listen to it.

While the community has certainly gone overboard on the hate train for CertainlyT he himself is not entirely blameless, as evidenced by his current process of making Mordekaiser a bot-lane only Champion reliant on his teammates and gutting every other type of role he could have potentially done.

CertainlyT right now is not doing the Mordekaiser rework justice, nor is actively communicating with Mordekaiser fans, "Mains", and people who know of him in-depth who are offering good, balanced suggestions that will let him play in any lane rather than just being shoved down to one lane.

And compared to the people doing the other reworks who are actively making changes to their kits based on community feedback and engaging in debates about the balance of the champions CertainlyT is doing very little of that in favor of pushing his vision of a melee anti-carry.

AMYS GRAVEAug 8, 201533 votes

Repertoir didn't have the forums constantly dragging his name through mud for months and then immediately getting personally attacked by all and sundry. At least, not yet.

That's probably because he works hard to maintain his reputation by listening to and acting on feedback.

GankLordAug 8, 20154 votes

So basically if you can't get a teammate that can counter kiting you can't play Mord ... ok this rework is genius.

AMYS GRAVEAug 8, 201523 votes

Tell me something G&B, is telling the same joke for the five-hundreth time still funny? Because every time someone posts "Fire CertaintlyT" it seems to get no less than 20 upvotes.

When most people post that, they don't think its funny, i know i don't. We legit think that he is bad at his job, and we don't want to deal with him anymore. He hasn't listened from the start, and it's frustrating when we know he won't listen, we hate his work, and there is nothing we can do about it. When he shows that level of disregard for his consumers then he is not taking his job seriously, and in most professions that's more than enough to be fired.

AceBlackAug 8, 20157 votes

Oh, he listened very well from the start. Back when Yasuo was about the be released, half the front page of the forums (that's right, it was the forums back then), were threads with his comments in them.

If you hate his work, fine. That's your opinion. A lot of people don't. And when you treat him as your own personal punching bag, it tends to close off communication.

You see, you can stay down here and accuse him of being unprofessional. But the fact of the matter is he's still doing his fucking job. He's not here to play patty-cakes with his critics on the boards. He creates and designs new stuff for this game. Hanging around on the forums is a bonus. A bonus he now no longer feels is worth his time.

He's disregarding the consumers because the consumers are disregarding him. And that's as fair as it gets.

AMYS GRAVEAug 8, 201510 votes

Communicating with customers and delivering what they are asking for is part of the job. It really shouldn't be optional, and our opinions aside ignoring that is unprofessional enough to be fired in most jobs. You can like him, you can like his designs, but when he ignores feedback then that is unprofessional. In no other job would you blame the customer, willfully turn away from their feedback, and expect to keep your job. Anyone who thinks otherwise has a rude awakening waiting for them.

AceBlackAug 8, 20155 votes

So if a content creator, doesn't matter what content it is be it books, movies, games, gets called a cocksucker and told to quit his job because he's horrible at it, then should he be fired for deciding maybe he should focus more on his job and less on these buffoons?

There's no one to blame but the customer. Unless you wanna blame the customer's parents for raising their child completely wrong.

MrTeaBagglesAug 8, 201512 votes

Stop saying cock sucker, thats pretty homophobic and riots bans idiots like that, calm down

TomatosxAug 8, 20153 votes

Thank you.

AMYS GRAVEAug 8, 201511 votes

gets called a cocksucker

Your straw man arguments wont work on me. I never said that, it isn't what i meant, and you know it.

A content creator of any kind that stops listening to feedback is going to lose their consumers, and without their consumers they have nothing. Why do you think many of the most successful youtubers always profusely thank their viewers for their viewership in every video? It's because they understand that the consumer dictates that relationship, and if they marginalize that relationship the way CT is doing now they will find themselves without consumers, and without jobs.

CasterGilgameshAug 9, 20151 votes

then stop playing you are taking the game too seriously thats coming from me....a person who has no life this game for so long

AMYS GRAVEAug 9, 20154 votes

How dare I be passionate about something...

CasterGilgameshAug 9, 20151 votes

yes be passionate but just don't blatantly insult someone and yes it makes it hard to be sympathetic to mord players since yes their champion is overpowered in so many ways is there a way to change it without ruining his identity? maybe but blatantly insulting people will get you nothing even if you keep telling him have some fucking patience.but now that you all did the damage i don't think mord will come out good at all.and from what i have seen i don't think any of you deserve it.bullies don't deserve to get what they want and that's what all mord players are being right now.you know what im not even supprised that the lol community has players like that this is what drags this game down.now im done with you from a person who likes and played Cassiopeia Veigar Soraka and Mordekaiser .

LaceUp23Aug 8, 201522 votes

Everyone dislikes Garen's movespeed slow when hitting with judgement, guy listens and changes it.

Everyone dislikes something about certaintlyT's work, too bad.

I think that is probably where the disliking for him comes in. Also, everyone as in people on the boards.

DesideriumAug 9, 20152 votes

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Everyone dislikes Garen's movespeed slow when hitting with judgement, guy listens and changes it.

Everyone dislikes something about certaintlyT's work, too bad.

I think that is probably where the disliking for him comes in. Also, everyone as in people on the boards.

The thing about CT though is that he always knows what he's doing. People are afraid of change and he doesn't care as long as it's for the greater good. As long as the champion remains strong, fair, and useful, it doesn't matter to him what people think.

Rightfully so.

LaceUp23Aug 9, 20153 votes

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The thing about CT though is that he always knows what he's doing. People are afraid of change and he doesn't care as long as it's for the greater good. As long as the champion remains strong, fair, and useful, it doesn't matter to him what people think.

Rightfully so.

Uhm, the problem is that you put "fair" in there.

DesideriumAug 9, 20151 votes

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Uhm, the problem is that you put "fair" in there.

Yet no one is complaining that Morde is now "weak" or "too strong."

They're just saying he's different.

They're all missing the point.

He's not listening because he knows he's doing the right thing.

LaceUp23Aug 9, 20153 votes

Uhm, how many people have played the new Morde? That's a pretty bad example.

Vistha KaiAug 9, 20153 votes

People playing on PBE are saying he's so different that no matter what you build you are useless.

Troll for TrumpAug 9, 20156 votes

They are saying the new morde is bad. People are saying yasuo is cheap. Not Op, just... overloaded would be a good word. Kalista has that problem too. CertainlyT, while having some of the most innovative and creative designs, releases his ideas out in ways that make them either completley insane or trash.