Zyra And Brand

Bless be low ELO

Just play engage supports and shit on them, it's not hard.

I'll fix that for you. You mean "every garbage ADC player who can't dodge skill shots wants them nerfed". U r welcome.

BTW mages will never be a tier 1 supports. Regardless of the meta, engage tanky supports (Alistar, Leona), playmaking supports (Thresh, Pyke) and even Ardent censor supports at their worst (they got huge items buffs BTW) will be better than mages.

Why? Because mages r only good at feeding on noob ADC players and otherwise can't provide real support for the team after the laning phase.

I've resorted to requesting that my supports ban or play Zyra.

Champs legit turbo cancer.

I drop the Zyra hint in tons of threads. And I DO play her.

BUT: I will say this: Zyra has legitimate counters in mobile, regenerative tanks like Volibear, or Jax, or Mundo or Sion.

The problem is, these champs aren't played enough, and Zyra is played often. A fed Voli is just stupid to pay with as Zyra. He'll just proc Steraks and outrun her and kill her in 2-3 seconds.

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Everyone wants to see them nerfed, except for their mains in which case it deserves a nerf.

I agree with this.

only adcs that can beat those champs are those mobile ones like vayne, kai, or miss fortune. hard poke champs like ez or jinx this is excluding support of course. but brand does alot of damage early on. but imagine this madness if zyra and brand comboed you then your pretty much auto dead no matter your defenses that isnt a support leveled damage. no support champ should one shot anyone.