Title. Braum and Katarina both got their ward hops removed but Jax gets to have the hop because....reasons. Out of all those champs Jax needs it removed the most, I could go all day about why Jax is pretty broken and OP but most players already know the reasons and can guess. But with all the snowball I feel his engage should at least be toned down a bit, ward hopping legit gives you a free escape.
BigFBear41 votesWard hopping feels old and outdated anyway. A champs kit should work on its own and should not depend on certain items you need to buy in the shop.
Jax and Lee are both old champs. Jax need a complete rework. That champ is broken. Lee's kit is ok I guess but they should remove ward hopping for him too and give him something else for compensation imho.
xelaker5 votesWard hopping feels old and outdated anyway. A champs kit should work on its own and should not depend on certain items you need to buy in the shop.
Jax and Lee are bot old champs. Jax need a complete rework. That champ is broken. Lee's kit is ok I guess but they should remove ward hopping for him too and give him something else for compensation imho.
heh old jax was getting stats from stats on stats, and old ninja tabi had a dodge % chance, plus his % chance with a stun attached to it.
PaffWasTaken13 votesgive him something else for compensation imho.
I think him getting non-stop buffs while being a permanent high/top-tier pick for 2 years straight is good enough compensation already
Sire Hippington4 votesi don't think you realise how much of a impact wardhops make for lee, atleast in high elos. he'd be garbage without it.
Romans VI XXIII1 votesSo it would be a bad thing for him to be garbage for a few patchs while they see how much it affects him and what they could do to bring him back up?
No I don't think so.
PaffWasTaken3 votesWould it make an high impact? Yes. Would he be garbage? Unlikely, given how bloated his kit is.
Completely removing it is a little too much, true, but I would at least reduce the range by half or a good 33%
Eedat3 votesHe would be straight trash without ward hop
Eleshakai1 votes"High/top-tier pick for 2 years straight" - there have been several points where he had sub-50% winrate....
PaffWasTaken2 votes...While boasting one of the highest pick-rate of the jungle role and sometimes being THE most popular jungler and one of the most played champion in the whole game, even if he is one of the most complicated champs.
If a champion has 49% winrate while being one of the hardest champ in the game and being present in every 2 games, the winrate isn't representative at all.
RyzeRework1 votesWard hopping is like 90 percent of his kit lol. I mean maybe they should just give Lee's w a SHORT dash
Gorantharon1 votesI want to play against a Jax without Spear of Shojin first, before I cry rework.
I'm pretty sure he looks a lot more tolerable when that abomination is gone.
ZackTheWaffleMan1 votesbefore SoS, jax was already OP, iirc
you have to go back to season 8 or something to find a version of jax that scaled properly
Sire Hippington1 votesthey could just remove the ward hop and give back all the things they took from him after wardhoping became a thing...
BLACK REALM GOD1 votesWard hopping feels old and outdated anyway. A champs kit should work on its own and should not depend on certain items you need to buy in the shop.
Jax and Lee are both old champs. Jax need a complete rework. That champ is broken. Lee's kit is ok I guess but they should remove ward hopping for him too and give him something else for compensation imho.
agreed
SiG DxD35 votes
'muh LCS playmaker #1'
Saezio24 votesKata ward hopping was removed when they gave her the entire dagger passive that lets her hop way more than wards did
Wolfalisk31821 votesIt could be removed for everyone but I doubt it'll be removed for Jax. There has never been any interest on the part of the developers to make this Champion fair and balanced. Every single game/mode he steps into is his to lose; a ticking time bomb until he completes 2-3 items at which point it will take no less than 3 people on your team to deal with him, and he's liable to still trade evenly.
BigFBear11 votesThat's why he need a complete rework. He is a dumb right click auttoattack mashine with no real counterplay. He feels old and broken the same time.
3TWarrior1 votes
Runes Reforged
those three are all bigger problems than jax and all three contributed to his state of power
You can get up to 120 gold for free at random with Kleptomancy...one of the weakest runes, let alone conqueror adding true damage and healing, others adding massive attack speed bonuses or flat damage increases and ratios, lethality/magic pen , free wards, INFINITE DAMAGE...
Saezio2 votesat least SoS is getting removed
Hi im 1218 votesbraum never fucking hard ward hop tf yall talking about
Umbral Knight2 votesAt one point Braum could use his ally dash ability on wards. It was removed pretty quickly.
Hi im 121 votesmaybe as a bug on pbe or something but it has never been a thing in the actual game.
Skia Asteri11 votes
never had ward hop.
Daddy ReTaric6 votesBraum never had ward hop… they maybe thought of adding it in his kit when he was in creation but it never reached live server. I can agree thought that ward hop is not really relevent in current meta but some champions are tuned in consideration of it (cought, Lee Sin, cough) and some have already an outdated and stat check kit so they could use a full overhaul(Jax).
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Braum never had ward hop… they maybe thought of adding it in his kit when he was in creation but it never reached live server. I can agree thought that ward hop is not really relevent in current meta but some champions are tuned in consideration of it (cought, Lee Sin, cough) and some have already an outdated and stat check kit so they could use a full overhaul(Jax).
So when are we overhauling every single adc to not be braindead statchecks?
Padoµch4 votesIts the same thing like if you are gonna have execution threshhold on Pyke and ChoGhat why not for Garen and Darius...
Fondling Gems3 votesPyke and Cho'gath don't have any skill attached to their ulties. It is a flat amount of damage that is always the same.
Garen and Darius have variable damage outputs on their ults that constantly change over the course of the fight. Not only would it be really distracting to have constantly changing icons on health bars, for them it is a very real judge of skill to know whether their ults will kill or not.
alwaysEZ4ENCE1 votesgaren actually had the execution threshold on an indicator, more exactly, the villain-y thing became shinier when ur ult could execute someone. but yeah, I guess its meant to add more skill to the champ
Leetri1 votesThat's because his ult would deal true damage at that point, so you knew how much damage his ability would do no matter what. Indicators are pretty much only good for ults that deal true damage, as resists will mess it up otherwise.
Jennifer173 votessome random person basically: riot do you play favorites? me: this guy must be new to the game.
DartExplosion103 voteswhy do people keep thinking that braum used to be able to jump to wards?
T2K Baka3 votesBring back Katarina ward hop. :) [katarina-love]
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Bring back Katarina ward hop. :) [katarina-love]
Sure.
Just remove the reset + AoE element from her Q, as well as her dagger-toss. Because she can dash WAY more now than she ever used to, and that's why.
FurriesAreHot1 votesShe can still hop thinner walls with Preparation and Shun Po. Costs more and takes more skill to execute.
T2K Baka1 votesYa, I know that. I do it all the time. I just miss ward hopping, so I want it back. Plus Katarina isn't a champ until gunblade, Akali is similar, but not to the extent that Kat is. It's insane how much of a powerspike it is. I feel like they should just remove gunblade and add a compensation buff to Kat. Gunblade is cancer with slow and damage active
FurriesAreHot1 votesThing about gunblade is that it gold-gates assassins like Akali and Kat, aswell as making it so they need to wait on Gunblade to go all in during the laning phase. And we'd need to find a way to give Kat a slow without making it a straight buff, since Kat especially relies on the slow.
Now that I think about it Gunblade is kind of similar to WoTA in terms of problems, but to a lesser extent.
T2K Baka1 votesI dunno about Akali, but Kat is already gated by delays. The dagger drop time is a huge gate for her, especially late game where the ADC can aa u 2 times and kill u before u can get to them. I just don't want to have to build gunblade every game.
FurriesAreHot1 votesThat's what I'm sayin. She needs the slow to keep fools in her daggers long enough to trigger them.
FSRER2 votesWard hop is the thing that grants you free escapes or the majority of champions who have dashes and escapes with ridiculusly low cooldowns?
SteelTempestYAS2 votesYes lets keep complaining about jax and not 
good idea!
Romans VI XXIII2 votesI mean, can't this post be about Jax, and YOU make another one about Vlad? sure Vlad needs changes.
musixxal1 votesbecause jungle terrain scaling.
FioraWillCarry1 votesKatarina, I actually get. You ever try to catch a Kat? It's fuckin impossible. I don't mind Jax keeping his to be honest.
DODGEORLOSE1 voteshashitshit complains enough already please just don't give him more reasons to i'm sick of seeing this autist recommended to me on youtube
CourtWizardAhri1 votesoh shit, I thought I was crazy for thinking braum used to ward hop. They must have removed it after his new champion status wore off!
SpongebobIsLife1 votesbraum never had it.
ESeTyRC1 votesLOL Braum never even had ward hopping wtf? Not a strong start to the argument.
Katarina got the ability to set up essentially free blinks with her daggers. It's not even hopping like Jax or Lee. It's a blink. It goes through any wall-based CC like Poppy or Veigar's. It can't be interrupted by hitting her in the middle with CC. Katarina's mobility is far stronger than what Jax or Lee have. It makes sense that she shouldn't keep ward hopping with that change.
So why exactly should Lee or Jax lose ward hopping? It even requires a ward to perform, literally. A finite resource, while Katarina has NO resources period.
BlueAirplane1 votesTHEY'RE REMOVING WARD HOPS FOR KAT? WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT at least do it for all champs so its fair .. just like jax and lee kat doesn't have mobility as much as other assassins like talon and zed :c..
