State of Sona

Niaphim··2 votes·793 views

This is coming from a Gold support main (or maybe not anymore, but I still play a lot of support games).

Sona has 58.5% winrate across all elos according to leagueofgraphs and champion.gg. While this may seem very high and op, I think she is right where she should be, it's other ("classic") supports that feel underwhelming.

When was the last time you said "we need to kill the support first"? I bet it was one of those Soraka games before she got nerfed. In almost every game since season 3 after a lost fight you see someone saying "wtf, don't focus support, we lost that fight because of that". And usually it is correct - supports are the lowest priority targets. They are walking warding bots who press item 3190 item 3222 every other fight and provide a little bit of soft or hard CC and shield for about 200 in a meta where tanks die in 3 seconds. In a 4v5 you have highest chances to win a fight when your afk is support.

Now you are probably thinking: but wait, for example Bard Thresh Blitzcrank are very useful! They provide great initiations and CC! Sure, but once the fight starts they are reduced to what I described, they are the last target you ever want to focus unless they are literally on top of you. Also many non-support champions provide good initiation: Zac Ashe Gragas Malphite to name a few.

Now, there are champions that are very close to where they should be, they are fun to play but underpowered Bard Janna Thresh Nami

TL;DR Sona is balanced, other supports are weak. Until people start considering focusing supports in fights they are little more than glorified walking sightstones.

27 Comments

Kempachi Taichou1 votes

Nami counters Sona

Niaphim1 votes

You mean, supposed to. Sona has 57.6% winrate against Nami atm http://champion.gg/champion/Sona/Support In previous seasons she was though. My point is Nami should be buffed in this case.

Penguin Eclipse2 votes

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You mean, supposed to. Sona has 57.6% winrate against Nami atm http://champion.gg/champion/Sona/Support In previous seasons she was though. My point is Nami should be buffed in this case.

Nami should not be buffed. Nami is actually almost a little too strong. She is just never in-meta and honestly that is a good thing. Never trash and never OP. One of the few supports Riot did right.

Siyther1 votes

ive always focused sona and soraka ( at least in lane) first cause if u dont focus that dps building shit ass support she will kill u while u try and kill the adc

Niaphim1 votes

Yes, in laning phase those two were always good. But in mid and late game you had little reason to focus pre-rework (I mean the latest rework) Sona. And reworked Soraka was indeed something you had to take in account when playing against.

Sona x Rubick1 votes

right now her wr is 55.6% across all elos after the hotfixe

bc is weak cause he got nerfed thresh isn't weak

Niaphim1 votes

They are not worthless, but they are weak. When was the last time you said "that Thresh is so fed, focus him or we'll lose the fight"? He is not a damage carry, of course, but there are other means to disrupt fights. How can a support be fed? Let's say assists while roaming and some KS.

Sona x Rubick1 votes

Thresh will never be worthless, however i can accept that he is weak. All of thresh's nerfs were greatly targeted (like making his shield only shielding one person), but how would you buff him? the dude has: -poke -safety to his adc -engage -disengage -peeling -high early game damage -late game tankiness

in one kit, which part would you buff?

Niaphim1 votes

Decrease his Q cooldown even more when he hits it. Decrease his W cooldown.

As an example. IMO supports need buffs in the utility department, not in raw combat stats or damage - we already got bruisers, mages, assassins and adcs for that job.

Sona x Rubick1 votes

tell that to riot who buffed kench's damage

lantern cooldown is so high i was thinking about the same buff 22 / 20.5 / 19 / 17.5 / 16, this is a dota2 lvl of cooldown. His Q cooldown is already fine, it's 9 seconds without cdr. if you buff the cooldown to 8 or 7, you need to lower the duration (something like 1.4 sec) .

Niaphim1 votes

I believe Kench is supposed to be viable also as a solo laner (top), this is why he needs some damage.

As for Thresh's Q cooldown - it is low with max CDR but I mean it could be really spammable, so that if Thresh is on you you are effectively locked out unless you do something about it.

Madra1 votes

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They are not worthless, but they are weak. When was the last time you said "that Thresh is so fed, focus him or we'll lose the fight"? He is not a damage carry, of course, but there are other means to disrupt fights. How can a support be fed? Let's say assists while roaming and some KS.

When are you ever going to focus a support or lose a fight? Even with a few kills their CS is way low. The truth is you can't have a champion with a kit as stacked as Thresh's also being able to chunk health bars anymore than he already does.

Niaphim1 votes

When support has useful utility skills on low cooldowns. Then he can contribute to fights in a more meaningful way. Also in Sona's case she got poor scalings and that's good because she can't be abused in solo lanes effectively. Supports don't need damage, they are not carries.

AsheGetsGanked1 votes

Heavily disagree her CD are too much....

Niaphim1 votes

Your name suggests that you play ADC a lot. Then imagine YOUR support gets the same level of power to protect you from Sona's poke and to CC her. That way it should make more sense.

AsheGetsGanked1 votes

You cannot justify someone having that high of a win rate dude. 55 should be the absolute highest, any higher is broken and needs to be adjusted

Niaphim2 votes

I'm talking about the entire class (supports). If one champion has 55 or 58 percent win rate it means one of two things: 1)This champion is too strong, others are fine 2)This champion is fine, others are too weak We are dealing with the second case here. Instead of nerfing Sona her counters should have been buffed.

Madra1 votes

Thresh and Nami aren't weak supports.

Niaphim1 votes

They are not worthless, but they are weak. When was the last time you said "that Thresh\Nami is so fed, focus him\her or we'll lose the fight"? They are not damage carries, of course, but there are other means to disrupt fights. How can a support be fed? Let's say assists while roaming and some KS.

Girard1 votes

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Niaphim1 votes

Soraka is a perfectly fine champion according to that definition, yet people got so mad because a support finally required some attention that she got nerfed multiple times. I guess people are only happy when support is 0.5 of a champion and they get to play their precious carry roles.

balbraaksel1 votes

That you didn't mention Lulu . Lulu got nerfed that her solo laning doesn't happen that much at all anymore but is trash in the support role.

hRnrBbWoTr1 votes

Sona is not a support, she's a monster demon devil conceived in the fiery pits of riot, sent bot lane to ensure her adc survives by walking up not aiming her Q and chunking away huge amounts of enemy life with a very low mana cost, even if you trade back she'll heal it up. So to win ranked. Ban soraka, pick Sona, go bot and take all the kills now congratulations you're a 16/1 sona with a fully stacked soul stealer that not even a rengar would want to mess with. That being said I've been playing Sona because she's just too strong right now to be called a "support"

Narsicus1 votes

I love playing Sona and I really like the cd buffs to her abilities. That being said this change was certainly an immense buff for her when she was already not weak.

Sona is most definitely strong right now, perhaps too strong, and her win rates would seem to support this. I don't want to see the extra cdr leave her kit but something will likely need to be toned down if it stays, and I am ok with that.

Bodhizapha1 votes

I love sona...I main her, and I play nami a lot too...now when I play nami I feel like I contribute more...her kit seems more useful to me. Sona is just lots of poke and harass...plus the shields and speed for group fights and the Q buff for AA. I love sona don't get me wrong...she is the 1st support I played...but as nami or leona I just feel I help more with peel and cc. Maybe I am wrong.

Fashion Mage1 votes

Most supports have an average or above average win rate last time I checked, so your argument doesn't really hold up very well.

Apocalypsic1 votes

Healing supports are naturally toxic towards the game.

Especially Soraka, and now after her insane buffs, Sona as well.

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