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Can we revert armor nerfs please?

Niaphim··22 votes·1,217 views

Maybe I'm just bad at playing vs full ad comps and it's a pure l2p issue, but I'm getting seriously tired of them running unpunished this patch, because to remotely counter them you need to build full armor making yourself a semi-useless sponge. What I see is that AD champs are most often lane bullies who rely on snowball, and ap champs need some time to ramp up their damage and overcome mana issues. This turns out to be a feed fest or a turtle until they take 6 turrets and all objectives they want. It used to be so that if a full ad comp fails to close the game in 30-35 minutes armor stacking destroys their damage and it is possible to comeback, now it doesn't seem a problem for them.

So what I suggest is to revert armor nerfs and increase item cost, so that these comps have again a clear weakness - late game armor stacking.

So TL:DR - Losing to full ad comps is a L2P issue or AD\bruisers are overtuned? Would it be a good idea to revert armor nerfs?

10 Comments

Fadedpf3 votes

Nope they are still nerfing tanks, Gragas, Shen, Maokai... no real changes to any of these glaring problems like Sated devourer, Garen, Vayne. I just don't know anymore...

A Miss Fortune2 votes

Out of almost all of the recent nerfs to tanks directly I think Maokai is the only one I actually thought needed a nerf. Aside from that I actually like Gragas since he has a lot of defined strengths and weaknesses, and I really like Shen since he also has defined strengths and weaknesses. Riot nerfs perfectly balanced, healthy tanks and then allows Sated Devourer and champions like Xin Zhao to exist with some of the most toxic, unfair, counterplay-less kits.

I don't hate Devourer because it does a TON of damage alone, I hate it because it has no counterplay. You can't build tanky because not only does it do Magic Damage, but the person using it will be doing Physical Damage and you also won't have the damage to kill them. You can't build damage because the person with Devourer will 100-0 you in half a second. You can't just counterjungle them because no matter what they WILL get Sated eventually.

It's the same for Vayne. What's the counterplay to her? There's clearly more ways to it than Sated Devourer but her kit allows her to negate so many windows that allow for you to counter her It's insane. Build tanky? Nope she has %health true damage. Build damage? Nope she'll burst you down instantly. CC her? Nope, she'll dodge most of your abilities and condem you away if you're on top of her.

SEKAI2 votes

revert armor nerfs please?

Idk "armour" doesn't spell like "Lee Sin" to me, maybe that's why.

Budupops1 votes

nah. tbh i love the patch as i can play riven without fear of a frontline on the enemy team

SEKAI11 votes

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nah. tbh i love the patch as i can play riven without fear of a frontline on the enemy team

Except Riven is meant to have that fear 24/7 unless already fed, seems like you are just welcoming imbalance because it's tilting at your favour. Typical.

Budupops1 votes

as long as it can get me out of bronze

Orangesilk1 votes

Friendly reminder that the completely, bonkers, broken champions this patch, all build armor defensive items as part of their itemization:

Garen Skarner Fiora

And I sure as hell don't want those buffed in any way.

AmazingGoat1 votes

This is a good point, but Fiora and Skarner definitely are overtuned right now and will almost surely see nerfs. I suspect Garen will as well, although probably more minor.

AmazingGoat1 votes

I don't have an overall opinion on the topic, but I will say that I'm seeing a ton of all AD comps where the only magic damage comes from like a Naut support or a Warwick jungle, and I'm having a hard time punishing these comps. Rammus does a decent job of punishing an all AD team comp if the enemy team is heavily AA reliant, but against AD casters even he doesn't really do that much. Malphite feels like he should be tankier against these comps. Sion is actually unbelievably tanky against pretty much any team comp still. Ali and Braum out of the support role frequently can out tank most "tanks" top. Juggernauts and bruisers seem way more tanky than actual tanks right now because of the lifesteal in their kits/items.

Partholonian1 votes

I think instead of un-nerfing armor, they should nerf item 3031 item 3035. Restores balance between tanks and AD attackers, but also makes them a bit less OP against everything else. -5 AD each would be a good starting point, and revisit if necessary. It might even open up the possibility of other builds, or champions that don't benefit as much from an item 3031 rush.

Also, a reasonable item 3153 nerf would double as the devourer nerf people frequently ask for, because devourer isn't that bad alone, it's the combo that's really sick.

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