can we just gut Malphite AP Scalings?

Rewt·Dec 1, 2019·2 votes·779 views

he is a tank. not an AP assassin. He Should not have good AP scalings.

EDIT: he is a better AP Jungler Than many of the actual AP junglers. Like. Why.

8 Comments

NaughtyWordDec 1, 20193 votes

I've found building even a single MR item puts an end to his one-shot shenanigans.

RewtDec 1, 20192 votes

Its just dumb when he is a better AP Jungler than Pretty much Every actual AP Jungler.

BeersteinDec 1, 20191 votes

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Its just dumb when he is a better AP Jungler than Pretty much Every actual AP Jungler.

So is Amumu, but both lack escape mechanisms, once they go in they're all in. They're a lot healthier than many more modern champions because of it.

I prefer tank/hybrid Amumu anyway, but both have their places.

NaughtyWordDec 1, 20191 votes

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Its just dumb when he is a better AP Jungler than Pretty much Every actual AP Jungler.

Oh I agree he's obnoxious, but he's not impossible to deal with. I'll take 100 ap malphites over a single rengar.

Earlier when I said all you need to do is build 1 MR item and his little one-trick is done, I meant it: item 3156 item 3102 item 3091

Sure he'll do some damage, but after his little trick he ain't got shit else for you.

DuskDaUmbreonDec 1, 20192 votes

can we just gut

No.

PopcornBunniDec 1, 20191 votes

450 AP to match the base damage on Q, 450 for W, 334 for E, and 500 for R are pretty far from "good" AP scaling. The ratios themselves are nothing spectacular, but the amount AP adds to his base damage is not remotely comparable to AP assassins.

Compare to an actual AP assassin's scaling, Fizz : 127 AP to match Q, 211 for W, 385 for E, and 416 for R

Ekko : 175 AP for P, 289 for Q, 106 for W's shield, 375 for E, and 300 for the damage of R

Evelynn 171 for all of Q, 200 for E, (160 for empoewered E), and 500 for R.

Of those, only Evelynn's R matches the poor scaling of Malphite, and her whole combo scales far better.

Malphite's AP ratios are nothing out of the ordinary for champions with AP scaling in general and his damage is going to scale much better just with cooldown reduction.

For another comparison here is a tank with all AP ratios that you never see built AP

Zac 300 AP to match Q, 400 AP to match W, 289 to match E, and 700 for R

Again, the only thing out of the ordinary is the R scaling, and that has as much to do with malphite's "assassin level scaling" as it does with Zac's large base damage.

Even looked at in terms of the total % of AP added to the damage combo, Malphite hits for 220% AP, Zac hits for 210% AP (+2% enemy health per 100), while Fizz hits for 340% and Evelyn for 270% (+2.5% health per 100).

The only reason AP Malphite is a thing at all is because his ult combo is uninteruptable. The damage itself is much less and much worse than an actual dedicated AP carry, it's just much easier to land.

And nice edit to save face for "not just talking about assassins". Still demonstrably false. Nidalee : 325 AP human Q, 200 for cougar Q, 1000 for human W, 700 for cougar W, 354 for human E heal, 578 for cougar E. More spells to scale so the Ws are worse, but still has 231% AP scaling with just a short-range Q and no bonus takedown damage. Adding range to human Q and even just against a 50% health target with cougar Q, it goes up to 306%.

Or is Nidalee not an "actual AP Jungler"?

NavaruneDec 1, 20191 votes

This, of course, is following the recent nerfs to his scaling (thankfully). I think he's in a really good spot right now.

PopcornBunniDec 1, 20191 votes

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This, of course, is following the recent nerfs to his scaling (thankfully). I think he's in a really good spot right now.

Even then, it was 400 AP to match R's base damage, and a 240% AP ratio total. The bigger problem is how reliable it is, which is why for the most reliable part of the combo, that ratio was lowered, as opposed to lowering the ratio of the best AP scaling ability in his kit, his E.

I mean hell, the dude only needs 500 armor, for the armor damage scaling in his kit, and that's doable with just a couple items thanks to his passive bonus armor.

That being said, if you want to try a very very silly scaling build, item 3047 item 3040 item 3110 item 3025 with transcendence gives something in the ballpark of 1000 armor, 350 AP, and slows with a larger radius than towers.