can we just gut Malphite AP Scalings?

Rewt·12/1/2019, 7:08:59 AM·2 votes·779 views

he is a tank. not an AP assassin. He Should not have good AP scalings.

EDIT: he is a better AP Jungler Than many of the actual AP junglers. Like. Why.

8 Comments

NaughtyWord12/1/2019, 7:09:50 AM3 votes

I've found building even a single MR item puts an end to his one-shot shenanigans.

DuskDaUmbreon12/1/2019, 7:31:01 AM2 votes

can we just gut

No.

PopcornBunni12/1/2019, 7:55:44 AM1 votes

450 AP to match the base damage on Q, 450 for W, 334 for E, and 500 for R are pretty far from "good" AP scaling. The ratios themselves are nothing spectacular, but the amount AP adds to his base damage is not remotely comparable to AP assassins.

Compare to an actual AP assassin's scaling, Fizz : 127 AP to match Q, 211 for W, 385 for E, and 416 for R

Ekko : 175 AP for P, 289 for Q, 106 for W's shield, 375 for E, and 300 for the damage of R

Evelynn 171 for all of Q, 200 for E, (160 for empoewered E), and 500 for R.

Of those, only Evelynn's R matches the poor scaling of Malphite, and her whole combo scales far better.

Malphite's AP ratios are nothing out of the ordinary for champions with AP scaling in general and his damage is going to scale much better just with cooldown reduction.

For another comparison here is a tank with all AP ratios that you never see built AP

Zac 300 AP to match Q, 400 AP to match W, 289 to match E, and 700 for R

Again, the only thing out of the ordinary is the R scaling, and that has as much to do with malphite's "assassin level scaling" as it does with Zac's large base damage.

Even looked at in terms of the total % of AP added to the damage combo, Malphite hits for 220% AP, Zac hits for 210% AP (+2% enemy health per 100), while Fizz hits for 340% and Evelyn for 270% (+2.5% health per 100).

The only reason AP Malphite is a thing at all is because his ult combo is uninteruptable. The damage itself is much less and much worse than an actual dedicated AP carry, it's just much easier to land.

And nice edit to save face for "not just talking about assassins". Still demonstrably false. Nidalee : 325 AP human Q, 200 for cougar Q, 1000 for human W, 700 for cougar W, 354 for human E heal, 578 for cougar E. More spells to scale so the Ws are worse, but still has 231% AP scaling with just a short-range Q and no bonus takedown damage. Adding range to human Q and even just against a 50% health target with cougar Q, it goes up to 306%.

Or is Nidalee not an "actual AP Jungler"?