Please don't nerf most of the champions that abuse Lethality to the ground

woobee·Feb 17, 2017·40 votes·1,895 views

just kill lethality.

23 Comments

THE RlVER KlNGFeb 18, 20175 votes

and when it turns out a lot of them Draven Graves Khazix Jhin Jayce Rengar Quinn were strong even without it, nerf them more

h5LYF41LamFeb 18, 20172 votes

you put fiora there common man.........

THE RlVER KlNGFeb 18, 20172 votes

I mean she does abuse it pretty hard too, and she was already pretty dominant top

PermabannedGarenFeb 18, 20171 votes

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I mean she does abuse it pretty hard too

Fiora is not a common lethality builder. Why would she be? Due to her passive she performs much better with raw AD and CDR.

THE RlVER KlNGFeb 18, 20172 votes

Her passive helps but in this meta Lethality is just the king of everything. She synergizes well with EoN and Yomuus and BC is one of her first item rushes. I've seen a lot of Fiora's pick up giant slayer items too.

PermabannedGarenFeb 18, 20172 votes

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Her passive helps but in this meta Lethality is just the king of everything. She synergizes well with EoN and Yomuus and BC is one of her first item rushes. I've seen a lot of Fiora's pick up giant slayer items too.

http://lolalytics.com/champion/Fiora/

The only lethality item even showing up in her stats (as in, the only one somewhat statistically significant) is youmuu's, which is statistically a poor first item rush and isn't that common. Her win rate with it is high, but due to the low win rate and the fact that it is below other, more important items (BT, GA, MS, etc.) doesn't imply it is meta.

http://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/Fiora

No pro is really building it.

EoN is an interesting buy on her due to the active, but the lethality stat is not particularly good on her. What would she give up for it? She can't give up ravenous, she needs the raw AD, the lifesteal, the waveclear, and the extra burst for her animation cancels. She can't give up Black Cleaver, since it increases her chase by a lot and gives her much-needed CDR. The percent armour reduction also helps her lifesteal against tanks. Bloodthirster provides more raw AD than any lethality item, even more lifesteal (enough to make her almost a drain tank), and a shield. GA keeps her alive and is almost mandatory. I could see an argument for a youmuu's or edge of night being a situational extra item, but that hardly makes her one of its abusers.

IllegalBagelFeb 18, 20171 votes

I always build yomumus on her now too good to pass up

THE RlVER KlNGFeb 18, 20171 votes

I've seen lots of Fioras do well with Lethality build but I will remove it, thank you for the illumination.

BlåbæretFeb 18, 20171 votes

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Her passive helps but in this meta Lethality is just the king of everything. She synergizes well with EoN and Yomuus and BC is one of her first item rushes. I've seen a lot of Fiora's pick up giant slayer items too.

Lmao, no one with a clue builds Fiora with lethality, sorry to break your bubble bud. You build Hydra + BC and rest tank.

PermabannedGarenFeb 18, 20172 votes

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Lmao, no one with a clue builds Fiora with lethality, sorry to break your bubble bud. You build Hydra + BC and rest tank.

Also not true.

item 3074 item 3071 item 3072

These are the three offense items almost always built on Fiora.

BlåbæretFeb 18, 20171 votes

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Also not true.

These are the three offense items almost always built on Fiora.

Not true? You literally listed two of the items I listed + BT which is optional.

AcidTheWarlockFeb 18, 20171 votes

Fiora runs with CDR, AD, and Lifesteal, as well as SV/DMP depending on the lane matchup.

ThefrostyvikingFeb 18, 20171 votes

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and when it turns out a lot of them were strong even without it, nerf them more

They weren't absolute monsters, other champions could keep up as long as they didn't get fed due to power curves.

With lethality however the powercurve starts fairly high and only gets higher landing short under the crit one while maintaining roughly twice the power on the way there. Not to mention all the extremely powerful actives and passives.

Troll for TrumpFeb 18, 20172 votes

Please don't nerf most of the champions that abuse Lethality to the ground.

No, when you have champs abusing an item, you nerf the ABUSERS.

If you have cinderhulk being strong on a few champs but ok on a few others, you don't nerf cinder, you nerf the abusers.

I'm sorry, but if your champ is abusing the shit out of the items, they are the problem.

SithesisLordFeb 18, 20173 votes

If you have cinderhulk being strong on a few champs but ok on a few others, you don't nerf cinder, you nerf the abusers.

And thus, i remind you that when Sejuani abused it, they nerfed it AND her.

The problem is lethality and a few of the champs abusing them, not just one or the other.

Troll for TrumpFeb 18, 20171 votes

Well, no. Sejuani wasn't the only abuser. Basically every tank abused it. That's why it was the tank meta.

This isn't quite the lethality meta. If it were a meta, it'd probably be the "black cleaver" meta.

I think even a few tanks were taken top w/ smite.

And no, assassins are not abusing lethality..

SithesisLordFeb 18, 20172 votes

Well, no. Sejuani wasn't the only abuser. Basically every tank abused it. That's why it was the tank meta.

There is a reason why Sejuani is the most memorable champion of that time. And a reason why Sejuani'd became a term along with Olaf'd.

Assassins are abusing lethality. Before most would simply build BC into raw AD with some defensive stats and sustain here and there. Now it´s all about Lethality and something else. They don´t even care if the item costs a ton or will be subpar on them. They build simply because Lethality.

Then again, there isn´t really a Lethality item that´s subpar on any AD assassin, is there?

Troll for TrumpFeb 18, 20171 votes

Ok, no. AD Assassins always got a ton of armor pen.

Zed : item 3142 item 3071 Talon : old/current item 3035 Rengar : Khazix JarvanIV : Jayce : LeeSin : Quinn MonkeyKing :

The only AD assassin who didn't buy arm pen was really old Shaco. item 3074 was really good too

StandgroundingFeb 18, 20171 votes

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And thus, i remind you that when Sejuani abused it, they nerfed it AND her.

The problem is lethality and a few of the champs abusing them, not just one or the other.

sejuani still abuses cinderhulk...

SithesisLordFeb 18, 20172 votes

She doesn´t abuse it. She makes sub-optimal use of it because it´s the only jungle item she can build.

Warrior does nothing, Runic Echoes is even more sub-optimal on her. And let´s not even talk about Bloodrazor.