Garen currently has the highest win rate in the game but no counterplay or weakness. There is no way to dodge his spin or counter-build his % max health true damage. I know some of you will say "kite him" but he is immune to slows and not everyone is ranged with hard cc. He also has vastly more movement speed than any other champion.
Alex Sloan2 votes[deleted]
Nik Nikerson5 votesThe 1k damage is misleading. Because his ult is an execute if he's dealing 1k damage with it, you're well below 1k health.
Billy VoHagen1 votes"Oh no I have 50 health." "Oh not garens ult did 1000 true damage." "Oh no that's so borken."
IcyPepper1 votesJust did some math...
At rank one of his ult, you have to have 2884.6 missing health.
At rank two of his ult, you have to have 1952 missing health.
At rank three of his ult, you have to have 1187.5 missing health.
Between you and me, I think it's fair to ignore the first two ranks because if you have that much missing health in the early/mid-game, you're probably going to be killed by anything from a Sona ult to a Teemo shroom.
Rank three, admittedly is a bit ridiculous. Assuming the villain is a carry, which typically have base health at level 18 ranging from 1900-2500, 1187.5 missing health is dangerous if you're within a bruisers/juggernaut's danger zone regardless if they have an execute or not.
But yeah, thought I'd tackle that. You have to be low for his ult to do massive damages, but it's an execute for a reason.
Critmaster Garen2 votesGaren currently has the highest win rate in the game
pulling statistics out of your ass?
http://champion.gg/champion/Garen
his winrate is 51% which puts him at rank 68. it actually dropped a notch with the most recent patch.
the highest winrate top laner is currently kayle, the highest winrate champion in the game, interestingly udyr.
http://champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=&sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend
garens counterplay is kiting, and hes not immune to slows.
Billy VoHagen1 votesDon't you know? In the current world, how people feels take prevalence over actual statistics or facts. They can then use to feels to make statistics, even if they're not real.
(fucking kill me)
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=Billy VoHagen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Llm6ygnb,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-03-14T04:24:20.395+0000)
Don't you know? In the current world, how people feels take prevalence over actual statistics or facts. They can then use to feels to make statistics, even if they're not real.
(fucking kill me)
thats why you slap them in the face with numbers they cant argue with :)
Billy VoHagen1 votesI'd like to think that they won't argue. But they will. Have you ever been on Tumblr, specifically the feminist area?
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=Billy VoHagen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Llm6ygnb,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-14T04:27:53.224+0000)
I'd like to think that they won't argue. But they will. Have you ever been on Tumblr, specifically the feminist area?
no. why would anyone go there? sounds like a terrible idea.
Billy VoHagen1 votesI've been there because I wanted to see if it was as bad as I'd heard it was.
It was.
III BAKURYU III 1 votesNot everyone but a large group of champions do have the kite ability to do so. The meta right now is great to counter play tanks and Garens.
Graves, Quinn, and Kogmaw are great top lane champions that are in the meta right now.
Garen is also an ALL or NOTHING champion he either wins lane or late game becomes a guy that "CHARGES" and becomes useless in teamfights sure he can do his ult on some poor SOB.
Alex Sloan1 votes[{quoted}](name=III BAKURYU III ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Llm6ygnb,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-03-14T00:46:30.794+0000)
Not everyone but a large group of champions do have the kite ability to do so. The meta right now is great to counter play tanks and Garens.
Graves, Quinn, and Kogmaw are great top lane champions that are in the meta right now.
Garen is also an ALL or NOTHING champion he either wins lane or late game becomes a guy that "CHARGES" and becomes useless in teamfights sure he can do his ult on some poor SOB.
- Build Damage and give no F***s and go ham
- Build Tank and hope you can be a better tank that knows how to peel and win in team fights.
Just my thought on the matter
I mean yes. I agree with some of this, but if you pick a Kog maw top, or really any that you mentioned, you're sacrificing a lot that is incredibly beneficial to your team in the Meta right now. But also, what you're suggesting is incredibly circumstantial and really only intelligent when you have the option to counter pick into a Garen. (Quinn/Gravey not so much in comparison to Kog Maw.
III BAKURYU III 1 votesWith the game mode normal draft pick and ranked you can counter pick unless the Garen is picked after you have already picked.
Kog'maw is a decent top lane champion with his passive he can peel better than you might think. Most melee champions go top and when they fight 1v1 at top kog'maw is great with his att speed when not moving and so most top laners will not fight you they will just wait for late game where kog'maw shines at his brightest.
League of Legends has turned away from build super tanks to Build super Damage for tops look at the LCS and LCK their tops don't build super tanky anymore they get 
Top lane champions of old 
NEW champions 
WIth 
Kogmaw can spam his abilities and use it when he TP for team fights
peaches7711 votesLet's be honest though... if you let Garen get full build and be tanky as hell 1v5, you're doing something very wrong.
Zorasama1 votesHis % max health true damage is only to the villian.
No flash no life1 votes
Peptobaptismol1 votesI only have a problem with Garen in threes. Builds NO damage, spends his whole life in a bush, and manages to get a triple kill. Don't forget getting flamed by them in all chat/ after game. Also why does this melee champion have a silence? I think it would be cool if Riot could somehow look into champions that are banned the most and scale them correctly for three's. They don't seem to care about the game mode but why is it in the game if they're not gonna work on it? At least he's slightly balanced for 5's.
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