Lux E should work Like gragas Q.

3ofGot40ve·Feb 7, 2016·49 votes·2,055 views

It should have scaling damage for when you leave it sitting for a long time. The insta poke that is basically undodgable unless you are kat or zed is to strong for activating it instantly. It should do less damage if popped quickly and more over time, just like gragas barrel roll

25 Comments

iainB85Feb 7, 201636 votes

You mean the change that totally killed AP Gragas?

ChaoticPineconeFeb 7, 20163 votes

+1 on this. At least Gragas has his Ult's displacement is always useful, % damage on his W, the innate tankyness from being melee + his passive, and has a knockup (which is "harder" cc than a snare"), and is more mobile so he can be built tank.

Tank lux is useless. With this change, she would be a shieldbot.

NeomeaFeb 7, 20162 votes

Honestly as long as it stops the "support" Lux players I see constantly they could do whatever they want with that champion.

ÁCTION IS COMINGFeb 7, 20164 votes

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You mean the change that totally killed AP Gragas?

I mean it's not like Gragas has a 2 second snare or anything.

Ulquiorra995Feb 7, 201610 votes

It's not like Lux has tankiness, a dash, % damage and massive displacement. Apples and oranges. Take away her damage, and she's nothing. Take away her range/safety, and there goes the reason to pick her over Ziggs or Vel.

But maybe this change could maybe be applied to Lux's AoE instead? Make it start at 275 (used to be 300 before its latest buff) and go up to 375 over the duration if she really needs changes? She'd still hurt, but you'd have more space to dodge it. Although IMO she's not really that bad. Sure, her E poke is annoying - but if she misses her snare (which is slow enough to leave some space to outplay it) you can punish her severely for it.

Remlap1223Feb 8, 20161 votes

So like Miasma? I kind of like the idea. Knock the range down to 250 and have it grow could also give her improved wave clear.

43161549_DELFeb 8, 20162 votes

her E is her aoe shit...in reality you just said what the OP suggested with numbers and more detail...

Ulquiorra995Feb 9, 20161 votes

Actually it is quite different. Making damage ramp up would be an insane nerf: AP Gragas got killed by that change. But making AoE increase, on the other hand, would make it still hit for a decent amount but be easier to dodge - mind you, AoE increase + instant detonation made dodging much harder. And with AoE ramping up it wouldn't impact her waveclear much, with only a slight delay before it returns to its pre-buff value.

43161549_DELFeb 9, 20161 votes

oh you mean like range of 275. what i understood from that was 2/3 of damage going up to full over the course of 1 second to full damage, or taking away instant detonation cause really thats the issue...

UnvictusFeb 8, 20162 votes

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I mean it's not like Gragas has a 2 second snare or anything.

Morgana's is 3 seconds, see I can do it too

DecritFeb 7, 20162 votes

Well, Gragas was not meant to be Lux.

KaipopFeb 7, 20161 votes

Ever heard of Woody Fruity?

ErockandrollFeb 7, 201617 votes

While I agree, I believe more can be done to make it unique.

If we assume that Lux is going to mainly be used as a wave clear siege mage, What if her AoE scaled with time elapsed? (Assuming the initial AoE would be at a nerfed value.)

3ofGot40veFeb 7, 20162 votes

Could be another idea, even with the slow on it tho it would still be hard to dodge or negate its damage. I guess this aspect would add more of a chance of sidestepping however

Dar RaksadaFeb 7, 20164 votes

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While I agree, I believe more can be done to make it unique.

If we assume that Lux is going to mainly be used as a wave clear siege mage, What if her AoE scaled with time elapsed? (Assuming the initial AoE would be at a nerfed value.)

if you want a waveclear mage you should pick ziggs over Lux, lux' waveclear is pretty bad compared to his if she's not fed. I believe a Red recently said she's meant to be a poke mage. the idea proposed in this thread is more fitting for a zone control mage like anivia.

LadyRenlyFeb 7, 20162 votes

People aren't going to stand in it at all, this will just kill her

ShaftyMegeeFeb 8, 20162 votes

Lux e tickles unless she used an auto with it. Without the auto its almost a waste of mama.

AbyssphereFeb 8, 20162 votes

I don't like this idea. You make her worse against champions because they'll never wait inside the E for long enough to get the full damage, but you make it better against minions because they have no way not to spend the full duration inside assuming a frozen wave. There's a reason Ziggs got gutted so hard in season 4 and there's a reason Gragas's barrel does significantly less damage to minions - abilities that are significantly stronger as passive waveclear than they are in actual champ v champ combat lead to uninteractive and boring gameplay.

Lux needs a nerf of some sort most likely and her E poke is irritating but making it scale in damage based on how long it sits is a terrible idea. Nerfing Lux's strength against champions in exchange for making her even more difficult to siege and push against is one of the worst ways you could attempt to weaken he because it's not fun for anyone involved. Nobody plays Ziggs because he's boring as fuck and nobody liked playing against Ziggs because it was boring as fuck. At least there's excitement for the Lux player when she pokes you down and I'd rather spend time trying to avoid her poking me down than watch her activate E once on every minion wave, clear it all by reactivating a few seconds later and walk back to her turret.

Nagoh ShanFeb 7, 20161 votes

Let's not do this

Dar RaksadaFeb 7, 20161 votes

This could kill the champ depending on numbers, depending on the range she's firing from it's dodgeable if she isn't accurately predicting your movement. I think the biggest 'issue' is that it can be hard to dodge in lane because people don't have boots/t2 boots yet, if you nerf the speed you destroy it for mid and late game.