Fizz and Lee Sin have no reprecussion for being bad

ComBrandon·1/4/2015, 8:11:33 AM·1 votes·853 views

Fizz, and Lee Sin both have enormous mobility, and usually decent damage (In Fizz's case monumental damage). Why should Fizz, or Lee Sin, being as powerful duelist, and team fighters as they are be able to escape so many well coordinated ganks and attacks on them? Lee Sin has massive health, CC, and control going for him, Fizz has absolutely gamebreaking damage, and enormous teamfight potential, and yet both heroes also have the ability to avoid danger better than most other heroes in League.

I don't want to hear talk about "skill" making them that way. After a thousand games, if you can't effectively play Lee Sin, or time your jump on Fizz, well then there is something terribly wrong with you. They have too much potential, compared to other heroes like Akali, with only a mere engaging ult that usually gets her killed if she doesn't use it right.

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DefenderOfFaith1/4/2015, 9:32:19 AM2 votes

The trick to Lee Sin is don't get hit by his skillshot and engage after he wastes it, then you'll at least have a chance. If it tags you, get back near somewhere he doesn't want to follow (a turret, a ton of teammates standing next to you, wherever) and pray your health isn't low because he can still dive you.

Fizz is more about backing away when he does his poll dance. Maybe it comes down to skill, but a friend of mine destroyed a Fizz on Tryndamere by letting him bully lane forward and then all-ining with cheap ult mechanic. A good Fizz could probably prevent it by freezing the lane. Then you're looking at the CS game from there on out.

I've seen both champs banned in pro, so they certaintly have potential. They aren't the only ones though.

Leti the Yeti1/4/2015, 8:12:29 AM1 votes

I would argue that a lee sin would have to be really good to do anything during his already unstellar late....

I honestly have no idea what your viewpoint is after reading the 2nd paragraph are you defending that lee sin players after a thousand games is the reason why they are really good at him? making the best use of his massive potential? cuz that sounds like a good thing

Knight SoIaire 1/4/2015, 11:31:06 AM1 votes

lee is up for a rework just for that reason along ewith elise who was hammered before took lee's place

both of those champions have no real purpose in their kits

there was once a troll spotlinght made by rioters in which phreak said something among the lines "Lee Sin is a meele ranged tank assasin carry support mage jungler ... he excells at everything "

while number nerfs made the part about excelling untrue riot found out that champions who do everything are simply bad for their game

the problem is that their reworks are insanely slow while they do pump out champions for some reason

so dont realy bother with lee sin

while fizz is a weird case

he is an assasin with realy fked up tool sett his escape is at the same time one of his strongest spells, but its not his only spell to engage on his enemy he has an execution burn while he also posseses realy powerfull burst

there are some points where you cant simply count his powerbudget because his kit is made out of skills that can have two totaly opposite roles depending on use or posseses play patterns that contradict eachother (dot execute burn and insane burst of raw damage ... autoatacker and caster at the same time)