Fizz and Lee Sin have no reprecussion for being bad

ComBrandon·Jan 4, 2015·1 votes·853 views

Fizz, and Lee Sin both have enormous mobility, and usually decent damage (In Fizz's case monumental damage). Why should Fizz, or Lee Sin, being as powerful duelist, and team fighters as they are be able to escape so many well coordinated ganks and attacks on them? Lee Sin has massive health, CC, and control going for him, Fizz has absolutely gamebreaking damage, and enormous teamfight potential, and yet both heroes also have the ability to avoid danger better than most other heroes in League.

I don't want to hear talk about "skill" making them that way. After a thousand games, if you can't effectively play Lee Sin, or time your jump on Fizz, well then there is something terribly wrong with you. They have too much potential, compared to other heroes like Akali, with only a mere engaging ult that usually gets her killed if she doesn't use it right.

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DefenderOfFaithJan 4, 20152 votes

The trick to Lee Sin is don't get hit by his skillshot and engage after he wastes it, then you'll at least have a chance. If it tags you, get back near somewhere he doesn't want to follow (a turret, a ton of teammates standing next to you, wherever) and pray your health isn't low because he can still dive you.

Fizz is more about backing away when he does his poll dance. Maybe it comes down to skill, but a friend of mine destroyed a Fizz on Tryndamere by letting him bully lane forward and then all-ining with cheap ult mechanic. A good Fizz could probably prevent it by freezing the lane. Then you're looking at the CS game from there on out.

I've seen both champs banned in pro, so they certaintly have potential. They aren't the only ones though.

ComBrandonJan 4, 20151 votes

Yeah most of his damage comes from his Q, once that is gone he isn't all that much of a problem. Statistically speaking, Lee Sin's Q does more damage at level 1 than any other spell in the game - not counting the special ones like Singed Poison and passives.

Leti the YetiJan 4, 20151 votes

I would argue that a lee sin would have to be really good to do anything during his already unstellar late....

I honestly have no idea what your viewpoint is after reading the 2nd paragraph are you defending that lee sin players after a thousand games is the reason why they are really good at him? making the best use of his massive potential? cuz that sounds like a good thing

ComBrandonJan 4, 20151 votes

Yes, after a player becomes experienced in League of Legends, playing any champion is no longer a problem. The problem is with the amount of potential Lee Sin and Fizz have over other heroes, most people will agree, and yet they say that its fair because the champion is hard to play as. Which doesn't make sense because anyone with a little experience under their belts can play the champion, and is rewarded with higher mobility at the cost of what? The skill it takes to make that mobility effective? That's a good trade off for anyone if you ask me.

Leti the YetiJan 4, 20151 votes

Fizz is broken Lee Sin on the other hand as mentioned before has a not so amazing late game and you gotta be like Insec or something to do make his late game meaningful The average Lee Sin is not that amazing seriously, if they cant do anything montage worthy, they are not very threatening

his damage is incredible early game but it really does not hurt very much... his late game is really finding clever ways to dive the enemy team, ULT someone toward his team and make it out alive that and juking enemies, cuz this guy is gonna lose a straight up duel

ComBrandonJan 4, 20151 votes

I do agree Lee Sin falls off in the late game on 5v5, although I feel that his role in teamfights is less about killing, and more about using his massive peeling potential to protect your carry, he excels at protecting people.

Knight SoIaire Jan 4, 20151 votes

lee is up for a rework just for that reason along ewith elise who was hammered before took lee's place

both of those champions have no real purpose in their kits

there was once a troll spotlinght made by rioters in which phreak said something among the lines "Lee Sin is a meele ranged tank assasin carry support mage jungler ... he excells at everything "

while number nerfs made the part about excelling untrue riot found out that champions who do everything are simply bad for their game

the problem is that their reworks are insanely slow while they do pump out champions for some reason

so dont realy bother with lee sin

while fizz is a weird case

he is an assasin with realy fked up tool sett his escape is at the same time one of his strongest spells, but its not his only spell to engage on his enemy he has an execution burn while he also posseses realy powerfull burst

there are some points where you cant simply count his powerbudget because his kit is made out of skills that can have two totaly opposite roles depending on use or posseses play patterns that contradict eachother (dot execute burn and insane burst of raw damage ... autoatacker and caster at the same time)