I know nobody cares but...

zrWQMdGHtY·Oct 19, 2016·1 votes·458 views

As a Katarina jungle main from years, but... Has anyone even tested if she'll work anymore in the jungle? True the jungle changed before and I was forced to adapt on my own and stuff, but this time I got a reworked kit, so... has anyone ever considered the possibility that some people prefer to main her OFF mid lane? There's no actual info on how her W CD will work so I can know if the spin will be spamable enough like now to kill the camps, or it will have bazillion hours CDs? I know I wont get a redpost to answer me. But still I would love to know...

P.S It was flooded how she'll gain more mobility with the rework even if she lost a huge amount of it... But will she gain the 10 MS which was removed of her few months ago and finally be a real assassin with 355 base speed?

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Demon King MaouOct 19, 20161 votes

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zrWQMdGHtYOct 19, 20161 votes

Read what I said, I said I main Jungle Kata from years and my issue got 0 in common with what you said...

Demon King MaouOct 19, 20161 votes

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zrWQMdGHtYOct 19, 20161 votes

Copy pasted the same in German doesn't make it more correct or better... It still has 0 in common with what I said. if you didn't understand, Katarina is getting reworked and I speak of her new rework, not the current state...

WoonStruckOct 19, 20161 votes

TBH, I believe she'll work better in the new jungle. Smite heal on every camp, massive AoE damage off your Q...We'll have to see, but I think it should be more reliable. You might be forced to take flat CDR options depending on how the ability CD changes affect her early clear, though.

Basically, your spin is your Q or W CD now. You reset your E CD by picking up the daggers that fall from your Q or W. You can spam E during your clear as a single target nuke because you can constantly reset its CD.

Essentially, Prep a camp by dropping W, E->proc W->E->Q->proc Q->E etc etc.

zrWQMdGHtYOct 19, 20161 votes

Her current Q is sad tier dmg in the jungle and it's her strongest spell. The W spam is the only reason she's viable there atm, but if I lose the W spam and magically gain 10 seconds CD on the knife, what's the chance to do it? (what smite heal?)

P.S just saw that it's gonna be 6 raptors instead of 4... RIP Q, wont be able to hit all xD

WoonStruckOct 19, 20161 votes

Her main damage will come from picking up daggers. It activates a huge AoE nuke. That's going to be your clear bread and butter. You can spam it due to the Q and W changes, and you can spam E by resetting from dagger pick-ups for the single target damage on large monsters.

Srsly, I think she'll be better in the jungle now. Add in smite heals and things are looking up for her early game.

zrWQMdGHtYOct 19, 20161 votes

E does 0 dmg, Q has huge CD, you need level 2 to spam Q W, if W has 10 sec CD you got 2 spells every 10 secs, while now you got 4 spells every 10 secs, no matter how "massive" that 0.25 AP ration "buffed" sinister steel it will have, it's not the same as 4 spells :p And what smite heal? Purple jungle item is gone from ages and using heal instead of flash is suicide...

P>S don't forget the jungle gets harder, again. So you go a step backwards again. Still hoping for a red post, which can check and explain how are ppl like me suppose to keep playing her after this rework...

WoonStruckOct 19, 20161 votes

You get a heal off of every smite in S7 jungle. Flat value+10% max HP.

Kat is being changed to essentially do more damage without resets, even if she still has them, but over a broader time-span. That means better jungling overall.

Jungle Katarina is being buffed.

zrWQMdGHtYOct 19, 20161 votes

If you get healed by every smite, doesn't this mean the CDs will be nerfed? --" And how much do you think they'll change the AP Rations? From 0.45 on Q current to 0.6 to compensate the no mark and the sinister steel from 0.25 (40 base dmg) to 0.40 (60 base damage), while shunpo will probly stay at 0.25 and get lowered from 40 base to 20. And basically her damage is like 5% higher, but you cant do full combo as easily as before, your sinister steel may not have the chance to trigger in the combat, because of bad Q drop or ppl running of your W drop. :p And if it's true they put more monsters (golems getting more and more the more dmg u hit) and raptors been 6, I don't think it will be that easy :x

WoonStruckOct 19, 20161 votes

Smite CD won't be nerfed. You get 20% from smiting red currently. That's now more spread out, effectively.

Sinister Steel is getting massive buffs, effectively. It scales way harder throughout the game, improving her later clears.

Her earlier clears will be better due to how her new kit functions, essentially letting you use E three times and W twice (with more damage) near-instantly.

You might have to use CDR runes and flat CDR from masteries to make her early clears better (don't know if the CDs are significantly longer), but no matter how you look at it, its a buff from a jungling perspective. She can near-instantly deal 400 damage at level 3. That's more than most champs can at level 6.

zrWQMdGHtYOct 19, 20161 votes

E does 0 dmg...................... Her base CD will be large, do you thnk they add dmg and wont buff CDs? --" I know how the current jungle works... I'm doing it you know... and Massive buffs? What's massive buffs? They wont do that massive buffs as they said, they said they'll make more mobility and instead they removed it........

WoonStruckOct 19, 20161 votes

Q: 11 seconds, scales down to 7. 150 damage at level 1+70 for shunpo reset. 220

W: 15 seconds. 75 damage level 1 +70 for shunpo reset. 145.

E: 15 seconds, scales down to 11, reset with dagger pickups. ~70 lvl 1.

Kat had no way to deal that damage (435) in a reasonable time at level 3, even with the lower W CD. You deal almost twice the damage from abilities over a 12 second period.

Once she actually has items and ranks in her abilities, she'll clear even faster. If you take flat CDR runes, you'll clear substantially faster than this already massive buff.

Not only that, but all of the stats and CDs are subject to change, especially W.

Keep in mind you can also scale up that damage substantially with AD runes early on.

zrWQMdGHtYOct 19, 20161 votes

You realize you just told me that I cant do jungle Kat pre 6, because her abilities got 1 h CD, right? Why would I got CDR runes if I need MS way more than CDR? My MS is low as hell with 3 MS quint essence and none existand without and forcing me to beg for wind drake... And I got 10-15 seconds CD to do full combo vs the 8-11 now... that's no buff that's a nerf vs the 4 seconds of all others... And why the hell would I go AD runes?!

WoonStruckOct 19, 20161 votes

Because Kat scales off of AD, and her knives scale harder off of it anyway?

You do more than double the damage in 12 seconds, far, far more in anything less. How do you think her jungle clear is getting nerfed?

SHE DOES MORE BURST AND MORE DPS THAN BEFORE.

zrWQMdGHtYOct 19, 20161 votes

Because 12 seconds x2 damage of an original combo, BUt you miss the part where I actually do 2 Qs and 3 Ws in that 12 sec with current state which is pretty much double the dmg of the doubled damage and giving me bigger sustain from the heal regain effect of casting a spell effect on jungle item :p

DPS isn't the mass damage you do over a big period of time, it's the small damage you do in a small period of time which stacks, something I needed years to explain to my party in Lineage 2.

WoonStruckOct 19, 20161 votes

Your Q CD is only 1 second higher early. It ends up lower after you've put ranks into it.

The W CD change is essentially 100% covered by the additional shunpos and knives you drop from Q and W anyway.

You do double damage over a 12 second window, and far, far more damage over a 3 second window.

She got buffed in the jungle. Do the actual math ffs. 'Burst' during DPS can be pretty large. The two are not mutually exclusive. Please take a look at Vlad, ADCs, Cass, etc. She does more burst vs non-moving targets, AND she does more DPS vs non-moving targets in non-reset situations prior to the update.

You're literally spewing bullshit that is 100% incorrect. DO. THE. MATH.

zrWQMdGHtYOct 19, 20161 votes

You keep doing the math after level 4, I'm doing the math of level 1 - 3 ;P After level 4 even the current kit nearly one shots the jungle camps, and the new kit will OS them. That's not so important as the first 3 levels ,where you got only 1 spell, then 2 and right after that finally the shunpo!

WoonStruckOct 19, 20161 votes

Actually, I'm doing the math of level 3. All of those are level 3 abilities, and counting her new AoE spin at level 1, when it will actually be dealing much more at level 3.

I'm basically putting everything AGAINST the new Katarina and its still doubling old Kat's damage at lvl 3.

You take Q lvl 1 (150 effective damage), shunpo (140 effective damage) level 2 to abuse the resets. Taking W lvl 2 is only 75 damage if you don't have shunpo.