Assassins update be like

zrWQMdGHtY··7 votes·1,790 views

"We remove the instant kill, so there can be more counter play"

Meanwhile, I'm like waiting 2 seconds for my Q or W to land so I can finally hit damage to Yi who just bursts me 1000 dmg in like a second... Or Irelia who deletes me...

Sorry... I must admit, people were right... I didn't react correct towards the Kata rework...

You know why? BECAUSE IT"S BLOODY HORRIBLE... I tough it's like "bad", but "acceptable"... This what I saw??? "3 free shunpopes" cool story... I need to max E for the first time in my life, simply because my Q has 0 DMG anyway... my W doesn't even do dmg... and my passive needs 1000 hours to land so it can do damage with SO SMALL RANGE, that you don't even need to try to dodge it to dodge it... Well done... My mobility is OP unable to escape, shunpoing around my ranged/mobile enemies to just get destroyed... WP... Guess LOL is done for me, as Kata is pretty much done...

Calll me when I get my old W back... Cyas.

p.s I preached that Kata needs MS buff to 355, instead of 345... now she got nerfed to 340.. WP to the guy who makes the reworks...

Edit: Old problem : Useless when behind, OP when fed.

New: useless all time.

46 Comments

Big Lincoln4 votes

yeah, i'm sure you've mastered all the nuance of new katarina in the few hours it's been live

zrWQMdGHtY2 votes

Honestly? I'm doing awesome plays, atm but observing them... I literally do 0... I'm better off building tank so my team can kill the bad guys while I do 0 dmg and jump around ...

lil koda3 votes

this whole assassin update sucks tbh even regnar like gj tank meta is back woohoo

zrWQMdGHtY2 votes

The idea is to have counterplay. Just played mid vs an annie. At level 3 I landed 4 passives in a row and 2 direct Qs and 2 direct Es, she didn't use pots. She had 60% left. She did 1 combo on me and I had 10% HP left... Glad I had flash cuz the new "mobility" helps way too much... This is what Katarina is... Before had chance to win counters, now she's a big 0. ^^

Then I tried to beat a riven or trynda... Did what Riot wanted a hopping awesome looking player. Yes... I did the hoping around, baiting around them and all that stuff... Still ended dead with hardly moving their HP down to 50%... For an over 23 sec 1v1 with me none stop shunpoing around and hitting my passive.... Welcome to 2016. The day Katarina is no longer an assassin, but just a beautiful girl jumping around like an idiot... ^^

and ppl just tell me "shunpo on the daggers and you'll win"... clearly I wont, clearly the ppl who say it are just ppl who cant play over silver rank and think the enemy don't move.

Ralanr1 votes

Sounds like the need for a number buff.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

Old kit had lower numbers and did better because it had poke and speed, now it doesn't, so what's the point of flat damage when u got no poke or speed?

Plus this new kit gutted Tank Kata, ADC Kata and Kata jungle (my actual main role).... and yeah it guts my jungle hard, 2010401401 hours CDs instead the spammable W for monster clean...

Ralanr1 votes

Well she was never built for the jungle anyway. I doubt Riot would have even considered Katarina jungle balance when reworking her.

zrWQMdGHtY2 votes

Riot games didn't know her true potential because they loved that "faker" or whatever his name is... And he only played mid. If they asked someone who actually knew her potential at all lanes and all types of builds, they wouldn't of destroyed the kit, but best make her a mid only champ, even if her mid is horrible atm vs the majority of champions... And her TF is even worse...

Ralanr1 votes

And now you've lost all credibility and are basically just shit posting.

zrWQMdGHtY2 votes

ARe you kidding me? I literally got ~10k games as her since release, I played her jungle over 4k, and support over 3k... Don't speak nonsense, OKAY? I know my gal better than anyone...

Ralanr1 votes

But that doesn't mean you know the total balance of the game better than anyone.

Besides it's easier to balance champions around a single role. That's why you barely see Tahm or Taric top anymore.

Here's what I've gathered from your posts: you think you know better but not once have you ever brought up the possibility that you might be wrong. And you usually give some reply akin to "I played her X times" or "I know every combo, unlike you" when defending yourself.

Now you'll probably argue that you don't give detailed responses because people will just brush it off or disagree with you. So you think "no point". Wrong. If you care about it enough then you drive the point home in most arguments rather than being dismissive.

But no. You're just a whiny kid who thinks they know better than everyone else and doesn't even consider the other opinions.

Maybe Katarina will turn out better in the coming months, or maybe not. Nobody can 100% predict the future. But she's been changed and no amount of passive aggressive complaining will change that.

And as much as I'd like you to drop the passive aggressive BS, it's something you're allowed to do online.

Just note that I will stop taking you seriously. In the end though I bet we can agree on one thing.

That being that neither of us really care for the opinion of the other.

Good day.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

WHY WOULD I BOTHER... Giving ANY detailed information IF I KEEP WRITTING AND WRITTING IT and people DOWNVOTE AND JUST SAY "good she's gutted".. EH???? Katarina is PERFECTLY FINE with the old kit. PERFECTLY FINE. She just needed 355 MS< instead a nerf to 345. WHY? Because I KNOW MY CHAMp... I KNOW THE CURRENT BALANCE...

NO Don't BS me how I'm bad and stuff. Look at the game. Literally EVERYONE has SLOW and SPEED BUFFS. For HUGE AMOUNT OF TIME and %... Clearly you didn't pay attention. Currently MS Is the MAIN THING IN THIS GAME and A SLOW... Not SHUNPO for NO REASOn, because that VOLIBEAR, doesn't CARE that you got 200 range behind him. He'll just cast Q and run NO MATTER where u shunpo, because HE JUST CAN and HE WILL SLOW U, no matter WHAT... Same goes for ANYONE, there's ITEMS THAT SLOW. EVERYONE USES IT... IMAGINE, you are SLOWED. doesn't Matter HOW MUCHU SHNUNPO, U R DEAD... U need a spammable COUNTER SLOW. Which was OLD W, which u could combine with rylai and just slow slow slow, you had a chance t counter, you could ward jump behind walls, you could of went tanky build, you could of went AD, you could of went jungle to avoid horrible annie/Diana mids... you could of won your counters at mid, because you had poke...

Now you're just a nothing that has nearly no dmg early game, no POKE AT ALL whole game. Your poke AI is so bad it will never hit a champ, it stays only on minions and same time the huge CDS make you even worse at farming, because either u need to go NEAR TO MELEE ATTACk and get destroyed by that ranged bully. Or SHUNPO IN on a DAGGER FROM Q, which gives your butt to the enemy for 3 SECONDS.

Your late game is worse, because you MUST land both daggers or you do 0, BUT YOU GO FULL "izi pizi" NOT, it's not EASY... PEOple run, people move, the range is horrible. You got literally no engage damage from Q and R... There's no position, there's no waiting. You're nobody in TF anymore. You're nothing, worse than nothing, you're a burden for your team, not an asset. Zed can go in delete 1 and go back home safe. Talon can do it too, Daian can, Akali can, Vi can... Everyone can, but you're that useless redhead assassin, that lost all your potential you must wait for the enemy to drop low HP and lose all CC, so you can HOPE for them to not notice you so you can do your SLOW passive damage and some ult damage, so you can feel like a hero.

You die like hell, because you got low escape potential, or simply because enemy has WAY BETTER mobility in MS and more slows and ACTUAL DAMAGE, which doesn't need 10-15 seconds CD between each other and LUCK to land it.

The new kit is NOT skill based, it's bloody luck based, luck of your enemy to be bad... You cant test it on PBE with horrible players or bots, people wanna make it look good, nobody cares to play as for win as you need in actual servers. That's why on PBE it looks good and in actual servers it doesn't. YOu don't need to tweak numbers, because it will be unbalanced, either she'll be too strong or this thing she is now. You're always useless and a burden, you're never an asset. Old kit if you're behind you just go tank or farm or AD and you just become and asset that can win the TF and the game for your team.

So don't bloody state how I don't know my Kat and the balance in this game. The person who did this doesn't know it, otherwise he wouldn't use the excuse "counterplay" while there's over 100 champs with0 counter play in the existence.

Have a good night and get out of my face already. I'm getting tired of you provoking me whole day long.

Titty Consultant2 votes

355? You drunk bruh?

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

Clearly you are. Most agile assassin in game with lowest MS atm... Wp

SanKakU2 votes

his what I saw??? "3 free shunpopes" cool story... I need to max E for the first time in my life

Dude, free shampoo is awesome, especially when it's your roommate's and they get the expensive stuff.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

I said 3 sec CD after u pick dagger. there's no free shunpo. It's free wait 3 secs to die till shunpo is up again

Ahristocats2 votes

i'm tempted to downvote you for realising this only now, i realised that everyone except rengar were olafed on pbe after watching 20 games or more from a french diamond 1 player that streamed PBE.

Rengar got nerfed on pbe before he got to live, i don't even know if he's still op.

but anyway upvoted, assassins were reworked because one-shotting wasn't fun and you couldn't play around it my ass, it was called positioning and protect the adc from the assassin.

enjoy getting one-shot by mages/vayne/j4/vi now.

zrWQMdGHtY2 votes

I didn't realize it now... I preach it from 2 months, but nobody cared...

Asoriel1 votes

Erm, very old Katarina used to max E for decent early turret dive and had pretty good trades with skillshot mages.

Otherwise, you're just going to have to change the way you play, you're a gamer right? Since when did gamers complain so much about games not suiting their playstyles? Gamers should be flexible and adaptable to any game they play, right? Maybe I'm wrong, but I've never personally felt that a game was ever unfair because of a change. I've always approached them as "time to see how I can make this work".

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

I complain because the pre rework Kata which I mastered for the past 8 years, had potential to be played at many dif builds nd styles... This thing atm is pretty useless... I need to pray that my Q will decide to land correct, or that enemy wont hit me while I wait for my W to fall on the ground so I can finally hit more than the 100 dmg Q does... And ofc they move so I cant do jack in TFs atm... meanwhile I have counter play right? Where['s the counter lay to the other 100 champs that instant burst? Logic is infinite in the rework and the current state... RIP Kata 2016 i'd say...

P.S my point is. I cant play solo anymore, I need to wait for my team to do 1000 CCS and lower their HP so I can finally do something... Pre rework even if I was behind I could outplay and get fedo n my own, now I cant...

Asoriel2 votes

Give it more than a few hours to get used to the changes before you condemn her to being useless. Trust me

As far as pre-rework kata that you mastered for 8 years, she hasn't even been that iteration for 8 years. xD she's been changed before, more than a couple times in fact. People over reacted, people adapted, and progressed.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

"Changed" Literally only the W, which was perfect... I could of played her as any class/lane/build without issues and s till win... That's what mastered means, not to playo nly mid and pretend u're cool...

Plus Old Kata kit was 0.4 seconds full combo... Now I feel like both my arms are broken with this forced waiting for a stupid dagger to fall and praying it's in the same loca s the enemy.

I don't overreact, I'm a realistic... U cant make me master her and play her in less than 0.4 sec combo and destroying a whole team because I can think and react faster than them, with something that has 0 TF potential, 0 chase potential and can hop only around enemies which is bs, because the majority of the enmies are ranged and just hit you anyway without any issues at all, because your Q which lost 250 range, is horrible, harldy bounces does hardly any dmg... Your passive has some yolo none existant range that's dodgeble wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too easy for the time u need to wait for it to drop and for that none existant pre 11 dmg... All the videos we saw on PBE were different CDs, different numbers in the dmg and most are vs bots, or pretty horrible players... Only way Kata could be good atm is at bronze or silver and if there's 0 smurfs....

From useless if behind and OP while ahead, now she's useless all the time. GG WP. Learn to adapt to what already existed for 8 years instead of crying to her to be slowed down... why she gets slowed down while all the toxic Diana, yi, lee, yasuo mains still kill you in less than 1 sec... hashtag RIPKatarina2016.

DJ Lucio1 votes

Oh no

Kat can't get a penta using Q-W-E-R

How sad

zrWQMdGHtY3 votes

kat cant get any kill at all, if it's not on 3 HP already or simply afk... And even the afk is hard cuz the Q blade falls 1000 miles away and u'll have to basic attack for 11 seconds and pray u don't die to minions.

Ralanr1 votes

It took you 8 years to master old Kat right? At least give yourself a week for this Kat.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

What do you think I'm trying to do, no matter what plays I do, it's just horrible... The damage is either low, or it's dropping at mars or enemy just moves away... All I can do is outplay in the same small circle and hope the enemy to not notice my knives so I can escape... That's all she can do now, she's no longer an assassin... I'll have to play her tank if I wanna do good with her now... RIP Assassin Katarina, Best blademaster in Noxus... WAS best blademaster... now just a random tank...

Ralanr1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kitty Katarina,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UHzbAfFp,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-09T15:04:00.821+0000)

What do you think I'm trying to do, no matter what plays I do, it's just horrible... The damage is either low, or it's dropping at mars or enemy just moves away... All I can do is outplay in the same small circle and hope the enemy to not notice my knives so I can escape... That's all she can do now, she's no longer an assassin... I'll have to play her tank if I wanna do good with her now... RIP Assassin Katarina, Best blademaster in Noxus... WAS best blademaster... now just a random tank...

Tanky=/=Tank.

Beyond that, who knows what might happen? Maybe she'll get some buffs.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

There's no buffs that can fix this... Just return the old W and she'll be "Acceptable" seriously... Why bother removing a good kit to, put this crippled kit... forcing u to wait 200000 hours to hit your main damage ...

Ralanr1 votes

Because she had too little counterplay when ahead.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

Meanwhile lee, yi, Diana are still fine...

And yet, what no counter play? Low base HP and 1 shot if stunned is 0 counter play?

So idea

"Fed = OP, none fed = useless" lets make it like this "Always useless = Perfect"

Sure, you're totally right... still waiting for the counter play potential on the other 100 instant busters... While the assassin cant assassinate at all... gg

Ralanr1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kitty Katarina,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UHzbAfFp,comment-id=00040000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-09T15:33:22.274+0000)

Meanwhile lee, yi, Diana are still fine...

I never said that and apparently Yi is weak at the moment. I'm sure they'll all get looked at in their respective class updates. Assassins came first.

And yet, what no counter play? Low base HP and 1 shot if stunned is 0 counter play?

So idea

"Fed = OP, none fed = useless" lets make it like this "Always useless = Perfect"

Sure, you're totally right... still waiting for the counter play potential on the other 100 instant busters... While the assassin cant assassinate at all... gg

Before we couldn't fully predict where she might go, now her daggers provide counterplay and set up.

No I'm not arguing everyone else is fair in comparison. That's why Riot is doing class updates. Don't act like Riot's never going to touch Diana.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

Yi is an assassin.

Diana will never get nerfed, neither will Lee

Counter play? You got literally 2 secs to run away from a melee range spell, which I need to touch. That's not counter play. That's literally gutting me alive while I wait for that spell and u just click your mouse once to escape my damage...

P.S don't forger the ward jumps...

Ralanr1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kitty Katarina,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UHzbAfFp,comment-id=0004000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-11-09T15:48:23.475+0000)

Yi is an assassin.

Yi is a skirmisher now.

Diana will never get nerfed, neither will Lee

Lee you have a point because of LCS. But Diana never getting nerfed? Yeah no, she's not immune to nerfs.

Counter play? You got literally 2 secs to run away from a melee range spell, which I need to touch. That's not counter play. That's literally gutting me alive while I wait for that spell and u just click your mouse once to escape my damage...

Shunpo to dagger.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

Shunpo to dagger? AHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA you wait 1 hour for the dagger to fall, you need to run for 1h to get at max range and if you are chased by 2 ppl RIP. 2nd way is to click it on the enemy. ENEMY SEES IT... WF are you talking about ? Shunpo on dagger????? Quit with that basic excuse...

Okay... Shunpo on dagger... Then JUST CLICK STUN ON ME AND DONT REWORK ME... Literally SAME LOGIC...

Ralanr1 votes

Guess you'll need to learn how to set things up better then.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

You don't set anything... You cant set anything. The game isn't around that stupid Katarina and everyone waiting for her to set. You need to act and think the moment the TF starts. You don't set. You need to do your job, not to set and wait for a stupid spell which may not even fall in the correct point. Your damage isn't that good anymore even... You literally have to jump on 10-20% Targets now, what's the point????? What's the point to be a champ that only kills low HP enemy. You're useless, you provide nothing that way... Better go some actual champ that can go in and murder the enemy like Diana or Lee or Yi or something else that has mega burst, just because you're that useless redhead that does 0 in the match and needs to be carried to win...

Old Katarina could carry herself, could win herself... This new Kit is made for people who want to get carried.

Ralanr1 votes

So you're angry that you need your team to win now?

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

I'm angry that I cant do anything at all if my team is failing now. Before I could help them win their lanes, now I need them to win mine...

YJRBqwXJcS1 votes

"but asinine the assassin rework is going to make them better you're just fucking asinine"

:|

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

There's no assassins anymore... Actually there is...

Vi, Lee Sin, Yi, Talon, Diana. The rest are just wannabies that cant even do a kill under 3 seconds. Meanwhile mages, ADCs, Brusiers, tanks, Garen... can burst you in less than a second! DW! Logic 2016.

YJRBqwXJcS1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kitty Katarina,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UHzbAfFp,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2016-11-09T19:08:57.483+0000)

There's no assassins anymore... Actually there is...

Vi, Lee Sin, Yi, Talon, Diana. The rest are just wannabies that cant even do a kill under 3 seconds. Meanwhile mages, ADCs, Brusiers, tanks, Garen... can burst you in less than a second! DW! Logic 2016.

i was just quoting people who thought i was asinine for saying this assassin rework was only going to be beneficial to talon. which now that i think about it they were kinda right khazix is a monster

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

Zed is fine, if not stronger. Talon is a monster. Kha is a monster cuz the new items Lee is a monster

Meanwhile Katarina is literally a cripple... Ppl keep saying just "practice and learn the new kit", like wtf I'm already doing awesome plays with it, but the kit is just too horrible to do anything good... why did kata's win rate drop and her deaths raised more than 3 times? Cuz she's OP I guess?

namobos1 votes

Logged in just to upvote Kitti Katarina,

Sadly he´s totally rigth, they gave enemys counterplay for kata and took the chance to counter away from kata.

R.I.P Kata

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

Wait... really? O_o I'm screenshotting this.

Rock MD1 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3_FxYnRRpY

I'm sorry Katarina isn't simple enough for anyone to play her anymore but she's ridiculously obnoxious if you actually know what you're doing.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

Yeah. I just lost vs a clone, I was level 10 acc and he was level 20 with a ramus and taric 24/7 turret diving me... At the end they said I was a scrub cuz I couldn't win 1v3 mid vs levels 20-30s :x

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