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An idea for a different punishment system

zrWQMdGHtY··7 votes·1,861 views

Lets us use our imagination now.

Asshole A is the toxic guy who gets banned. Ok?

So Asshole A, goes in a game. Flames flames flames flames, gets banned perma. Okay? Asshole A, goes to the league of legends official website and the gmail. He makes an email, he makes a new game account. He plays from level 1. Asshole A, meets Asshole B and Newbie A.

Game goes like this.

ASshole A + B are in same team. They destroy newbie A/B/C/D/E, giving them no chance. They flame and act cool. The newbies, get pissed off at how badly handled this type of people are and just go and play something which is not LoL.

Newbie A-E wont spent a single dollar on the game. Riot losses. Asshole A and B Keep playing.

Situation 2.

Asshole A is in team with Newbie A, while Asshole B is in the enemy team and plays same lane as newbie A. Asshole A is playing againts asshole C, so it's veteran vs veteran. No issue. But asshole B is destroying newbie A, making him 0/20. Asshole A goes hardcore verbal/vulgar abuse on newbie A. Newbie A is humiliated and never plays LoL again.

Asshole A gets banned again. He makes a new account AGAIN. repeats the cycle.

Here is an idiotic simple way to fix the issue the easy way...

Asshole A is a %%%% and flames like shit 24/7 whole game. Asshole A doesnt get chat restricted. Doesn't get banned. Doesn't get his rewards restricted. BUT, Asshole A gets punished in a way where he gets no warning and no way to know he is actually punished until he doesnt play with a premade who notices it. Asshole A, keeps to use his chat, keeps his rewards, keeps his account, BUT his chat is simply invisible to anyone in the game. Neither team or enemy can see it... asshole A wont know that. He will flame and get tired of getting ignored and just stop and continue playing.

You'll say "he'll go afk"

You have a leave buster dont you?

Then you'll say "he'll intentionally feed". He's already doing it with or without a punishment, plus that kind of bans are manual far as I know so you'll ban him anyway and this time you can directly give it an IP ban instead of an account ban...

What's the end result of it?

Flamers, will flame... They'll get tired of getting ignored and will just shut up... Newbies will play with newbies, without getting abused by veterans who were banned. Bots at low level games will be less, because there wont be such search for level 30 accounts in the black market... The flamers will waste money for skins because they know they wont lose shit. But same time they wont know that they are actually without a chat even if they see they have it...

And dont tell me how complicated it is... Blizzards already use a similar system, only issue is they warn you when your chat is invisible for both team and enemy by an email and tell you exact period of this punishment.

Actually. Awaiting the -100 downvotes and how this idea is bad and how the current system is fine... (Poor you newbies at low levels)

For the record a member of Riot support wanted me to share this suggestion with the community as the "community has the power" to ignore my posts and make them forgotten.

82 Comments

AeroWaffle7 votes

Neither team or enemy can see it... asshole A wont know that.

I think they'd figure it out real quick. And Riot tried perma-mute'ing people before. Those that showed behavior that warranted the perma-mute often just found a different outlet to upset others. Like trolling.

zrWQMdGHtY3 votes

Son... I dont know how to say it, but... Riot give chat restricts, this is way worse. It hurts way more. You still get all your jack rewards, which nobody cares for, but you care that why you'll be happy. People still troll. No matter what. You got no idea how a toxic asshole thinks. Im toxic as fuck and im a trash to humanity as Riot claims with the 4 perma bans I got. So I know. Letting me chat all I want on free will without any "you are limited TA TAAAAAAA" message to show up, will let me release my anger, same time I wont hurt any of your feelings, cuz you simply cant see it... bu huuu poor feelings... After few messages, I'll be calmed down because I'd left my soul out and simply get ignored as if Im muted... I'll just keep playing my game, but if I go afk LEAVE BUSTAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Darm... I knew people will keep coming and saying "buuuu that wont work u suck gtfo!" with their weird way of word picking...

Repeating. Rito never tried this. You dont know how a flamer works. They troll even if they can chat normally. They get sad and play propelly if getting ignored. And best part... THEY BUY SKINS! MUCH PROFIT! MUCH WORTH! MUCH ACCOUNTS! MUCH NO flame on newbies! Much op!

AeroWaffle4 votes

Not every toxic asshole is going to be stubborn enough to keep going through the leveling process to only get their ass sent back to start each time they get perma-banned. If I were ever to lose my account for whatever reason, I would likely be done with the game because I wouldn't want to go through the leveling process again, much less get enough IP to buy all the runes, champions, and rune pages again.

You're an outlier.

You dont know how a flamer works. They troll even if they can chat normally. They get sad and play propelly if getting ignored.

Hence why it's better to just ban them. At least then there's a decent chance to convince them it's too much effort to start over. There are other MOBA style games for them to play that don't have as strict of a behavior policy.

Edit: Deleted all posts replying to other deleted posts.

Timethief496 votes

Most people who get a perma dont come back due to loosing too much. For people who go so far that they get permabanned i feel good that they loose their content. Its a punishment worthy of their behaviour. If they get to keep their stuff and just dont chat its not that big of a punishment.

zrWQMdGHtY3 votes

As a person who gets often perma ban, I can say you dont know jack, as low level games are 99% perma banned veterans... Plus I lost over 500$ in skins from the perma bans and I keep playing but I dont spent money anymore... so sure... Ok. I mean, who needs a better system that can actually improve behaviour, instead of keeping it and just making people RESTART and abuse newbies...

ModThe Djinn3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kitty Katarina,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=kcqBmLdQ,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-03-16T18:36:53.607+0000)Ok. I mean, who needs a better system that can actually improve behaviour, instead of keeping it and just making people RESTART and abuse newbies...

I will absolutely grant that, from a conceptual angle (I haven't gone through the new player experience since Pre-Season 1), I don't like the idea of a toxic new player experience.

You haven't convinced me that the proposed system would actually improve behavior though -- it does nothing to disincentive toxic behavior, and instead merely hides it behind a screen. In a game where communication and teamwork and encouraged and often necessary, I'm not sure how on board I am with chat bans as a long-term solution to the issue.

I would definitely be interested to know why Riot has not publicly discussed a solution like this though. I can think of a few reasons they'd be opposed to it, but I'd love to know which of those reasons stick out to them.

Kei1436 votes

IP bans are kidda ... year 2000 punishment.

It's so easy to get around a IP ban now and that information can be searched easily online.

Also, IP bans affects public places like internet cafes and school colleges.

zrWQMdGHtY3 votes

The IP ban was just a bonus. The idea is the chat thingy... There's no way to perma remove someone who feeds/afks, but then he'll lose his/hers account and it will hurt way more, because you actually dont lose shit by the chat restrict idea... Now you just dont spent any cash, get banned and just go with a new account. Easy peasy.

You dig? You no lose anything, you get all! But you no have chatterino, you no know you no have chatterino, you que que but still play and get all stufferino. You get borederimo from nobody seen your chaterrino. YOu learn your miserable lesson to keep your mouth shut and let me play my game in peace, then your chatterino back, you no flamerino, cuz you will get mass ignorino too... silence killerino mooderino to chatterino. Kapisho? You no flame, or you no get answer. You no ban, but you ignore! Ignore > Ban.

Tl;tr

Getting ignored is worse punishment than losing an account which you can remake in few seconds.

LawUrDepravdHart2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kitty Katarina,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=kcqBmLdQ,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-03-16T19:39:37.359+0000)

The IP ban was just a bonus. The idea is the chat thingy... There's no way to perma remove someone who feeds/afks, but then he'll lose his/hers account and it will hurt way more, because you actually dont lose shit by the chat restrict idea... Now you just dont spent any cash, get banned and just go with a new account. Easy peasy.

You dig? You no lose anything, you get all! But you no have chatterino, you no know you no have chatterino, you que que but still play and get all stufferino. You get borederimo from nobody seen your chaterrino. YOu learn your miserable lesson to keep your mouth shut and let me play my game in peace, then your chatterino back, you no flamerino, cuz you will get mass ignorino too... silence killerino mooderino to chatterino. Kapisho? You no flame, or you no get answer. You no ban, but you ignore! Ignore > Ban.

Tl;tr

Getting ignored is worse punishment than losing an account which you can remake in few seconds.

Reading this was painful.

zrWQMdGHtY2 votes

That's why I made a tl;tr XD

COBRA C0MM4NDER5 votes

You talk of suppressing a simple freedom. the right to have a voice. even if it's something you disagree with or dislike, you are suggesting SILENCING someone.

even without a voice, they can and will still be idiots. They will be the ones silently stealing your lane. Stealing your jungle camps. Trolling harder. would you be satisfied that they cannot communicate when they pull that shit?

Arsehole people will be arsehole players.

The internet brings that out in people.

Riot has the right idea to ban assholes and reward the decent folks.

your idea has merit, but you need a certain thing for that to become acceptable... like a dictatorship.

Magical Player4 votes

Can you sum up your entire idea for the new punishment tier into 2 sentences then break down the specifics into bullet points of 2 sentences?

zrWQMdGHtY2 votes

Can you quit been a dush and stop downvoting my thread. Just because you dont understand doesnt mean you cant read the comments to understand.

"Instead of losing access to your account and chat, you just get a punishment without warning that causes your chat to be invisible to everyone except yourself. IT will all look normal, but it wont be normal so you would flame all you want without giving negativity to people and the same time you'll calm your ass down."

Still too complicated? Want me to sum it down a bit more?

(Doesn't understand anything. Instead of trying to understand goes mass downvoting. Maturity at max)

Magical Player3 votes

Now I didn't downvote you, but glad to see you care about that

Your idea is interesting

zrWQMdGHtY2 votes

If that was true, you'd prove me wrong and click the upvote instead, to make it more appealing for red posters to see it and come and ban me for using so many bad words. Duuuh

AeroWaffle4 votes

How would that prove you wrong? If he had downvoted, he could just cancel the downvote and it would show the same result as an upvote.

AdeBug3 votes

My level of toxicity: I don't intentionally flame, I just get pissed off and rant in game and can become toxic with questions like: "In what world is it ever a good idea to go in outnumbered and underleveled?", and ping spams (more than 1 is considered spam) of question marks after experiencing something stupid. Working on that though, last night I just looked away! An 1/8 wukong that was AAing all game, not buying a single item up til level 5 when I told him to buy and by God they listened, a Wukong who was ignoring all common sense pings from all team mates when the enemy was about to flank him - I just could not watch. So I didn't and it was all good. Mainly because Rengar ran to help him and Wukong got his very second kill lol Moving on. Irl if I get ignored, that is when I get pissed. Your solution would not work on me. I'm not craving attention, am anti social at times, actually, but if I want a piece of info from someone, I gotta get it. Being ignored for any reason is like pushing one of my buttons.

I have seen the new account experience where you can have like 4 smurfs per team, with people bickering like in any other norm. Yes, the situation is bad! and it seems there is no system in place to stop smurfing or perma banning a toxic PERSON, which would require a lot of investigation, not just tracking IP range sameness, but also finding speech patterns, noticing play style, documenting friends list or play buddies, known aliases - I did this before and even in a small community it's really time consuming to keep tabs on pariahs. From what I read, the smurfin atm is being investigated only on past level 30 accounts by detecting changes in key bindings and win rates, among other small measurements, but such detection only leads to them being placed among other smurfs in normals. Nothing is stopping smurfs, toxic or not, from stompin noobies in ranked. And no system is in place to stop reoccurring toxic players.

Yes, we need a solution, but I doubt this is it.

I for one can tell when I'm being ignored, and I believe that any average person could, given a decent amount of time or games. And when they do, they will react in w/e unforeseen ways. I myself would be hella pissed. You would calm down, chat wise, as per your statement. For now. But what about everybody else? You can't really generalize here.

Plus, chat restriction and variations like your proposed one might work in chat heavy mediums like this board here, where the means of disrupting someone's life and getting a reaction from them is only through comments and downvotes, but in game there are soooooo, I repeat: soooooo many ways to troll and piss off people, it would be like a drop in the sea if indeed a toxic PERSON is perma chat banned, visibly for them or not. The famous Tyler1 did not need to flame in chat every time, if the support KS'd him, all he needed to do was run down mid. Because, again, toxic people are toxic in more than 1 way. A flamer is never just a flamer.

zrWQMdGHtY2 votes

I just realized something. This community isnt mature enough for such a system or any system at all. No system will help people like you, or that other guy calling me a dictator. You're hopeless and I dont know why I bothered suggesting something. When I am clearly "proven wrong", by some totally untrue and random arguments. I give a solution to make them shut up and not bring negativity to the other 9 players, but clearly nobody cares for that. Everyone cares for that one guy who wont have access to chat, for his feelings and the lack of care for these feelings, by wanting him to be perm. suspended of his/hers account. You ignore the fact that these smurfs exist, because of perm. bans not, because of "hey I want a smurf cuz it's cool". My idea will limit the smurfs to a huge number. Newbies will stop having horrible experience with flaming arses on their face. A bigger majority will be happy. Even the flamers will be happier as they wont lose any rewards or anything. At the moment the mentality is set to "Oh I'll flame and buy a new account, because I can afford it.", then the mentality will be set "I'll lose my chat, but i can keep playing and keep all I unlocked and enjoy it. People wont see me flame, but I can flame all I want so I can enjoy myself, when the game ends I'll just say "report ect ect, because he trolls ect"" which will be out of the match and the negativity will be skipped.

It's literally a mute key put by Riot themselves, by default on a toxic person. So instead you to have to bother muting, the mute will be there by default. They could add a function to enable the chat of the toxic person for you, but that would be your own risk and you will suffer the flame without complaining, about it. Simple as that. Or is it really that complicated to understand it? Is the hate towards something new that much? I'm personally tired of losing my stuff every season, because I defended my own pride againts flamers. I would prefer if I'm silenced and keep enjoy what i unlocked with my own free time and funny part is that I wont personally even use the chat that much anymore, as the toxic people would be already silenced and I wouldnt have anything to provoke me. Simple as that. SIMPLE. Yes. It's simple...

AdeBug1 votes

I would appreciate you return the favor of reading several paragraphs. Cus atm feels like you zipped through it, and decided the tl;dr was that: I or we are immature, hopeless and cannot understand simple ideas, and/or hate change, which is not just wrong, but offensive. And there's no need for that, I've been as politely as I could, so I'm sorry that you're angry at me/us for no reason, really, other than you making yourself a victim here.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

I am a victim and there are people who are victims, who don't deserve to restart all over again because of the actual flamers. I don't have need to read anything of ppl who just declare how wrong I am all the time...

KORGtuners1 votes

All the people need is to use the mute button. Literally resolves all chat related offenses.

Don't bother with Riot support. Ask for department heads and email them directly.

Magical Player7 votes

Your solution requires others to moderate you? When riot moderates users, the user gets upset.(because they get punished)

If you can't moderate yourself, nor do you like riot to moderate you, why do you expect others to go out of their to moderate you?

zrWQMdGHtY2 votes

Department heads usually show me the middle finger and give a big fat ignore so I don't waste time searching for em.. And the mute key gives effort y yourself which is out of the Gameplay... I want to play not to put effort to mute idiots. So my idea is just for them to get muted by the game itself...

KORGtuners1 votes

Department heads usually show me the middle finger and give a big fat ignore so I don't waste time searching for em

Well bad news for you, department heads have the power to enact change in League of Legends. Riot support and random forum posters have no power at all.

I want to play not to put effort to mute idiots.

First off, you are the idiot for letting words hurt you.

Second, it takes very little effort to hit tab and click the mute button one time. It took more effort for you to type up all of these forum posts than it would to mute someone in game.

Third, your idea sucks because it is all inclusive. All chat is being involuntarily muted; positive, neutral, and negative.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

Your third proofs you're an idiot, because if your chat is muted it means your toxic and got punished. If you're a nice person you won't get your chats muted. Ty for flamming and failing to understand marry xmas

KORGtuners1 votes

Your third proofs you're an idiot,

Takes one to know one?

because if your chat is muted it means** your **toxic and got punished.

The point you don't understand is: toxic people aren't toxic constantly. They are fully capable of providing useful information to your team at any point in time. When you mute them, they are no longer able to provide useful information.

Whereas a chat filter, can allow useful information through while preventing the toxicity.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

Nothing prevents toxicity and there is no useful information during a match that a chat can provide which the pings cant. You're just a hater which wants people to get perma banned and restart. That's all you are. One big hate. Otherwise you'd stop making pointless excuses to which solution already exist.

And trying to make me feel/look like an idiot while I literally used self irony the whole thread is pretty stupid.

P.S I am sure that majority of the downvotes come form 2-3 people total and not from a major amount of people. which is funny... people who speak that perma bans for breaking a kiddos feelings having so many smurfs... guess not all of you are so innocent and you are scared of using your bot leveling services if a system like the one I suggest is made.

KORGtuners1 votes

You're just a hater which wants people to get perma banned and restart. That's all you are. One big hate.

You have no idea. How many threads have you personally created asking for the end of account bans? The following link is my most recent.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/61a7YnAh-riot-please-respond

Not to mention I suggested people use the mute button and not once did I say report/punish.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

Mute isn't the solution. If there isn't a system that mutes alone then there is no point of that option as it doesn't do jack. The perma bans will never end while I keep getting - 5 with ideas that actually screw the account sellers... And i can assure you a majority of the downvoting here is done by them and their bots. As I had a pretty big sum of pluses at start.

KORGtuners1 votes

The perma bans will never end while I keep getting - 5 with ideas that actually screw the account sellers

Once again, random forum users have no power. Riot department heads are the only ones that can possibly enact change. look at the most "upvoted" topics of all time and it should be obvious that forum users have no power.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

Forum users have the power if the community supports them, but instead my thread goes down and down thanks to snobs and account sellers bots...

KORGtuners1 votes

Riot writes the code.

Even if the community overwhelmingly agrees on something, it is up to Riot to actually implement the ideas into the game.

This isn't a democracy. Riot has the only word on what goes into their game.

zrWQMdGHtY1 votes

If the community likes it, Riot sees it and thinks, about it. When the bots downvote you 20000 times, Riot doesnt see it and doesnt know it even exists. Miracle! Right?

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