increase their early base stats (primarly in the defensive category hp Ar mr) and reduce their stats per lvl effectively they would have the same base stats at lvl 18 as they do now, but with the increase in durabillity early on it makes the famed 4 man ganks harder with the ADCs being more durable, the same could be done for some supports as well.
RivetAce4 votesIt's not the ADCs, it's the 4 mans. Personally, I think they should increase the bot lane turret's damage to champions. That would be a much easier way to make 4 man bots harder.
The turret is already weaker defensively, why not make it stronger offensively?
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It's not the ADCs, it's the 4 mans. Personally, I think they should increase the bot lane turret's damage to champions. That would be a much easier way to make 4 man bots harder.
The turret is already weaker defensively, why not make it stronger offensively?
Ehh i guess that is, however Riot seems pretty set when it comes to the champions being there to protect the tower and not the other way around. So buffing the ADCs early durability would be a change They'd ACTUALLY consider
Critmaster Garen1 votesEhh i guess that is, however Riot seems pretty set when it comes to the champions being there to protect the tower and not the other way around. So buffing the ADCs early durability would be a change They'd ACTUALLY consider
it would also cause them to reclaim their monopoly over bot while theyd also overrun other lanes, so no.
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it would also cause them to reclaim their monopoly over bot while theyd also overrun other lanes, so no.
So your saying mages should have a monopoly over both mid lane and bot lane? its only increasing their early durabillity, unless you give every adc atleast 100 base Ar and Mr and 2k hp by lvl 18 nobody is seeing 5 man adc teams
Critmaster Garen1 votesSo your saying mages should have a monopoly over both mid lane and bot lane?
no they shouldnt and they dont have it right now.
only ziggs is played bot lane. the other 90% its still adc down there.
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no they shouldnt and they dont have it right now.
only ziggs is played bot lane. the other 90% its still adc down there.
People are also playing around with viktor and cass, ADCs are so weak right now its not funny, Mages DO have a monopoly over mid lane with every ad assasin that isnt kha or rengo (both of whom dont mid often) is in meh territory and both leblanc and katarina are difficult to play at their best potental the change i suggested is not one that needs to be taken, however any general buff to help ADCs would be appreciated
Critmaster Garen1 votesPeople are also playing around with viktor and cass, ADCs are so weak right now its not funny, Mages DO have a monopoly over mid lane with every ad assasin that isnt kha or rengo (both of whom dont mid often) is in meh territory and both leblanc and katarina are difficult to play at their best potental the change i suggested is not one that needs to be taken, however any general buff to help ADCs would be appreciated
adc are NOT weak.
early game? yes. theyre supposed to be really weak around that time. because their lategame scaling is ridiculous.
and just because people are experimenting with other mages down there, doesnt mean its a great idea. the only reason bot lane ziggs is viable right now is due to his gimmck of wrecking turrets, and how turret first blood within the first 10 minutes almost dictates the outcome of games.
because killing the enemy bot lane in a 4 man gangbang and their turret gives you an obscene gold advantage right now.
fun fact, ive recently played ziggs in the support position, and the result is that its probably more efficient than playing him in the farming role. because he doesnt actually need gold to scale up his w to blow up turrets, and his utility and base damage is decent enough to actually play as a support.
so even without much gold, i still got to run around the map blowing up turrets with my w, while we also had a jinx who snowballed off that gold and wrecked the enemy team, and blew up turrets with me.
Snowman Arc1 votesThen this leaves room for lane swaps. Maybe then the duo lane moves top.
Critmaster Garen1 votesin my honest opinion, bot lane ziggs isnt even that good. it can work, but it makes still more sense to take him midlane since he does the exact same thing he does when played on bot lane, with the difference that he doesnt put himself behind in xp. which means he can scale his w up even faster.
there is no reason he cant just roam down for that gangbang thats going to happen anyways and still blow up that turret down there by 10 minutes.
Snowman Arc1 votesWouldn't help. The problem is not in "those numbers", the problem is that they offer low damage, low utility early. You either need very big number increases, or a complete overhaul in their kits. Just some more armour and MR won't save you from Lee Sin's combo.