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As mage player banning Yasuo is more satisfying than winning the game

Bilizver··101 votes·18,467 views

Just hearing ,,no cure for fools,, and after the game checking on your mid lane opponent profile to see his Yasuo mastery 7 border as most played champion is the best feeling League can deliver.

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BLIGHTBRINGER50 votes

I feel the same type of pleasement when ever I ban Zed, which is every game :v

Ifneth21 votes

I will deny you, Zed.

Theorex5 votes

I hate Xerath.

I don't mind Yasuo or Zed. Zed is really easy for my Ryze. Yasuo is really easy for my Malzahar.

I hate Xerath though. I will never be in range to kill him. He could be shit and I will never be able to punish him if he just sits back and spams spells to hell.

Followed by Akali, Diana, and Orianna.

HaIlMonitor3 votes

I swear only 1 in 4 xerath are not just flat out cheating too...

Ifneth1 votes

Stand beside the minion wave and shove constantly with basic attacks and abilities. This gives Xerath two bad choices, one for positizoning and the other for his abilities.

Positioning

  1. Stand on your side of the lane and get poked.
  2. Stand on the opposite side of the lane and not have the range to hit you.

Abilities

  1. Try to hit you with Arcanopulse and miss last hits
  2. Try last-hit with Arcanopulse and miss you.

If he stands on your side of the minion wave and tries to hit you with Arcanopulse, then while you won’t be able dodge his ‘pulses or trade back reliably, the wave will soon push to his tower. You’ll lose a little health, but he’ll lose control of the lane.

The following applies to midlane generally. Once the wave reaches the turret, stop pushing it and just go for last-hits while pinging your jungler to gank. Once the wave is near your turret, thin it out enough to freeze it, and Xerath will have lost the lane. If he walks up for last hits, then the jungler will gank him. If he doesn’t, then he’ll miss out on gold and experience.

Even if Xerath has played perfectly by warding one side bush and staying near it while not letting you know which bush he’s warded, his only remaining choice will be to use all his abilities at once, except his stun, to clear the wave, forcing his minions under your turret. Respond by immediately doing the same to keep the wave where it is.

Xerath is now stuck on your side of the lane and can’t do anything about it. He cannot use his stun, or else he cannot play mind games by pretending to ward one bush and then warding and standing beside the opposite one. A flash gank from fog would kill him. Here comes the ‘baiting’ that you might have heard about from higher level players. You need to put the enemy player in a psychological vise.

Every time your abilities are off cooldown, walk in and out of his stun range over and over. If he casts his stun at a distance to try to stop you, then sidestep it because you’re “one step ahead” since you expected him to potentially throw it and were just waiting to see the cast animation. If he waits too long or doesn’t throw it, then just go all-in at your maximum range. Any hard crowd control will interrupt his Arcanopulse, which is where his damage comes from. If your jungler is there, then he will join your all-in.

The reason I mention the stun is that it’s the only ability that he will have up—he needs the others to keep trying to bust the freeze. His only response to you walking up is, under the intense pressure of dying or getting chunked out if he makes any mistake, waiting until just the right range, exactly predicting your movement, and knowing for sure that your jungler isn’t just waiting to flash on him.

You just have to watch and wait for him to mess up.

DW Diana1 votes

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I hate Xerath.

I don't mind Yasuo or Zed. Zed is really easy for my Ryze. Yasuo is really easy for my Malzahar.

True. I only ban him when I just really can't be bothered to deal with his bs.

I hate Xerath though. I will never be in range to kill him. He could be shit and I will never be able to punish him if he just sits back and spams spells to hell.

I've found a counter to him in the form of...

Followed by Akali, Diana, and Orianna.

Leave my Diana alone! =( Also I love playing against Orianna, Malz dicks her, just take old trusty electrocute xD

Theorex1 votes

Nah fuck Diana fam. She does way too much damage, like wtf? I have a negatron on Ryze and she still be blowing me up. Its like why even build MR against her lmao.

Also electrocute on Malzahar just feels bad tbh. Its not something you proc very often. You'll get it like once every 3 or 4 minutes.

I would prefer spellbook over electrocute. There is just a bunch more utility with that.

Safer laning, more capability in secuting objectives, better roams, better team saving capability. You just have to be intuitive about what you need.

DW Diana1 votes

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Nah fuck Diana fam. She does way too much damage, like wtf? I have a negatron on Ryze and she still be blowing me up. Its like why even build MR against her lmao.

She's a diver like Irelia. It's not her fault riot decided to build nothing for her to use but AP :P

Also electrocute on Malzahar just feels bad tbh. Its not something you proc very often. You'll get it like once every 3 or 4 minutes.

Actually I've got very good at proccing it. You know how to try to Q the backline so E kills them quickly for a Ping onto your opponent. When then it's just the voidlings doing one attack and it's procced, Also anytime you E W R it procs giving a nice burst to your ult combo. Onceyo u get used to it it's actually not bad.

I would prefer spellbook over electrocute. There is just a bunch more utility with that.

Yeah but I always hate blowing a full ult combo (Q E W R) on a squishy and only taking down half their hp. With electrocute I might lsoe out of utility, but can be a threat again :P

Safer laning, more capability in secuting objectives, better roams, better team saving capability. You just have to be intuitive about what you need.

I played malz for his AP carry potential, that's what i always loved about him (when you use your combo and they run away only to die for malefic visions and liandry's XD). The best defense is always a good offence. My roams are better then before because I can do damage, not just CC. On the hole I've found spellbook to be the weakest choice for Malz. To me it's just accepting I'm a support and giving up on being damaging until 3-4 items.

Theorex1 votes

I mean, yeah. But she was kinda broken on release. She hasn't received any number changes for a while iirc. Shes like Orianna, where they were fine when they were last worked. Then time went on and everything else got nerfed lmao.

Its not that I can't run electrocute, its more of I have to babysit my team with Malzahar. Look at my ranked games, I am pretty much completely dependant on my team not hard inting in the early game. I can carry if they soft int. Thats easy. Like that Ryze game we were down a solid like 5 k at 15 minutes. So the best way for me to babysit my team is by having Heal for the jungler, TP for the bot lane, Barrier for myself in lane, Smite for when I have to flash over the wall to get the objective for my team. Etc etc etc. Unsealed Spellbook makes me take on the role of everything. Substitute jungler, substitute support, etc.

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Theorex

I like playing Malzahar for his AP damage, its just frustrating because you don't get to be a threat until about 20ish minutes in game. Thats three items, unless you get kills or assist (aka ganking bot)

DW Diana1 votes

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I mean, yeah. But she was kinda broken on release. She hasn't received any number changes for a while iirc. Shes like Orianna, where they were fine when they were last worked. Then time went on and everything else got nerfed lmao.

They just need to get her some ap items like th ad bruisers have got.

Its not that I can't run electrocute, its more of I have to babysit my team with Malzahar. Look at my ranked games, I am pretty much completely dependant on my team not hard inting in the early game. I can carry if they soft int. Thats easy. Like that Ryze game we were down a solid like 5 k at 15 minutes. So the best way for me to babysit my team is by having Heal for the jungler, TP for the bot lane, Barrier for myself in lane, Smite for when I have to flash over the wall to get the objective for my team. Etc etc etc. Unsealed Spellbook makes me take on the role of everything. Substitute jungler, substitute support, etc.

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Theorex

I like playing Malzahar for his AP damage, its just frustrating because you don't get to be a threat until about 20ish minutes in game. Thats three items, unless you get kills or assist (aka ganking bot)

This is WHY I take it tbh. I can't trust my team to not feed, so when our bot lane do die in a 2v2 I go down there and get a kill or 2 and push the wave. It doesn't make up for them feeding entirely but getting to my powerspike earlier means I can carry against a fed adc.

I try to roam earlier then that so they don't die but when it happens I always try to have the team come away even. With electrocute I get that early kill pressure. With spellbook I wouldn't.

Theorex1 votes

Its your turn to make a post about Malzahar.

Something talking about how Malzahar has been relegated to being the secondary support for the team instead of being his own identity. Similar to karma mid. That Malzahar is in a poor state but is being overlooked because of pro play, where players don't get the same type of access to voice comms, so no team in solo queue will ever be able to preemptively jump on the same target as malzahar.

EmpressOfBeauty1 votes

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I hate Xerath.

I don't mind Yasuo or Zed. Zed is really easy for my Ryze. Yasuo is really easy for my Malzahar.

I hate Xerath though. I will never be in range to kill him. He could be shit and I will never be able to punish him if he just sits back and spams spells to hell.

Followed by Akali, Diana, and Orianna.

This may not work for you but I used to have this issue when playing other mages too. I have found that playing extremely aggressively early on will make him blow his mana trying to kill you. Idk about Malzahar and Ryze because I don't use them but Xerath strongly counters Cassiopeia so at Level 2 I can go in with a spam combo and get him to back early because of his cooldowns. It gets better when I can zone him at level 3 for Miasma. Same for LeBlanc, I get aggressive at level 2 and keep going in then distorting back. Zoe too, I use the obstacles to increase range on her stun bubble and then use her Q. If you see Xerath and know how to play those champions I definitely recommend them to counter him! [katarina-love]

Theorex1 votes

Its not that I can't play into him.

Its that I don't want to play into him.

He is just stupidly annoying to play against, because you can have him under tower all game and he will still be allowed to put out the same amount of damage as you.

I am a strong advocate that longer range = less damage. It literally makes sense in pretty much EVERY role. (Until top or support, but thats because of Tanks and Mages)

The longer ranged ADC should be weaker than the short ranged ADC, so if the short ranged ADC gets into range vs the long range ADC there should be near zero chance that the long range ADC wins. We see that a bunch of times with Vayne and Cait.

But when we compare someone like Xerath vs someone like Malzahar. Xerath will deal more damage.

Because Malzahar got gutted in damage because of pro play (He still gets picked up because of his ulti.)

Perma CC1 votes

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I hate Xerath.

I don't mind Yasuo or Zed. Zed is really easy for my Ryze. Yasuo is really easy for my Malzahar.

I hate Xerath though. I will never be in range to kill him. He could be shit and I will never be able to punish him if he just sits back and spams spells to hell.

Followed by Akali, Diana, and Orianna.

Play a diver or someone that can hard initiate on him. I go Lissandra and destroy his face.

Theorex1 votes

Its not that I can't play against him, Its just I hate playing against him.

It would be pretty bad if I made diamond not being able to play against a champion with all skillshots lmao

Fraeday1 votes

do NOT deny me ... boy how often have i heard that . I never bann it myself, but pretty high b-rate

Great Fox1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Darkin Hybrid,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LRBQsHtH,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-15T10:08:42.198+0000)

I feel the same type of pleasement when ever I ban Zed, which is every game :v

What this man said. Last season, Riot told me my most banned Champion was Zed -- which was in 83.66% of my games. LMAO

Enderspider1 votes

Lissandra why ban him pre-game if you can ban him in-game :v

Feel Apathy34 votes

Yasuo's the only champion that after each nerf, increases his winrate.

ISLAMICWARRIOR992 votes

[{quoted}](name=Feel Apathy,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LRBQsHtH,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-05-15T15:21:35.442+0000)

Yasuo's the only champion that after each nerf, increases his winrate.

Except he got gutted and had a shit winrate for a long time to the point he wasn't viable in high elo

Spicy Rice1 votes

To be fair, he also has the most dedicated mains, which leads me to believe them te increase in winrate can be accounted for by fewer and fewer new yasuo’s playing, leading to the winrate increasing

Doozku11 votes

This thread is the league of legends equivalent of r/LateStageCapitalism

Aka a brainless circle jerk with no substance or no room for discussion because any dissenting opinion will be downvoted to hell.

The Beholder3 votes

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This thread is the league of legends equivalent of r/LateStageCapitalism

Aka a brainless circle jerk with no substance or no room for discussion because any dissenting opinion will be downvoted to hell.

I like this comment. Reminds me How I got banned from latestagecapitalism for saying "lol" in one thread. Thats it. "Lol"

Doozku2 votes

Did the moderators send you any message with that? For being "communists" they sure due act a lot like facsists

But I don't want this thread to get political, let's keep it down in case the friendly mods over here catch wind [slayer-jinx-wink]

The Beholder1 votes

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Did the moderators send you any message with that? For being "communists" they sure due act a lot like facsists

But I don't want this thread to get political, let's keep it down in case the friendly mods over here catch wind [slayer-jinx-wink]

No messages, lol gets banned for saying lol

I Love Roses3 votes

dude don't get r/LateStageCapitalism into this, r/The_Donald is even more fascist if you ask me

Doozku1 votes

They're both equally bad IMO.

Red Wreckage9 votes

If this is what bring you the best feeling about this game, you're not playing the right game, or not playing this game right.

notice me Sin pi40 votes

agreed, rito needs to gut yasuo so that this game does become the right game for most of the playerbase

PhearBunny1 votes

[{quoted}](name=notice me Sin pi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LRBQsHtH,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-05-15T15:05:40.786+0000)

agreed, rito needs to gut yasuo so that this game does become the right game for most of the playerbase

but they just made irelia who is literally the same exact thing, only more user friendly.

BeatzBoyFTW6 votes

You mean a champion who has a conditional dash (minions must be 1 HP in order to spam dashes, otherwise you get a long cooldown), unlike Yasuo who has free dashes (minions of any HP is dashable, E is always 1 second cooldown no matter who you dash).

"same exact thing", my ass.

Spicy Rice3 votes

Yasuo gets on target cooldowns, while irelia can potentially dash 3 times on the same target

D357R0Y3R1 votes

minions must be 1 hp?

my ass

The Bad Touch1 votes

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but they just made irelia who is literally the same exact thing, only more user friendly.

Everything Irelia does can be avoided though. 3 skills shots and a Q that only really works as an engage if you are standing next to a low health caster minion.

A 0/10/0 Yas can hit W every team fight and spam his R key and still win fights.

Also his full build is basically 2 items.

A 6 item Zed does his shit... meh Zhonyas/GA/exhaust/whatever.

A 2 item yas tosses a w in front of his ADC and spams his r key waiting on a Trundle pillar from half away across the lane... GG teamfight.

Not to mention negating half the ultis in the game from ever doing anything on a 20 second CD.

ProjecL1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Bad Touch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LRBQsHtH,comment-id=0001000000010001,timestamp=2018-05-16T14:27:40.572+0000)

Everything Irelia does can be avoided though. 3 skills shots and a Q that only really works as an engage if you are standing next to a low health caster minion.

A 0/10/0 Yas can hit W every team fight and spam his R key and still win fights.

Also his full build is basically 2 items.

A 6 item Zed does his shit... meh Zhonyas/GA/exhaust/whatever.

A 2 item yas tosses a w in front of his ADC and spams his r key waiting on a Trundle pillar from half away across the lane... GG teamfight.

Not to mention negating half the ultis in the game from ever doing anything on a 20 second CD.

Irelia's dash is targeted just like Yasuo. Everything else in Yasuo's kit is dodgeable (Q, Q3, even EQ, his ult can't hit you if you weren't hit by him or his teamates before). You can even aim around his Windwall (most of the time won't get the chance to reposition before the fight is over though) while Irelia's damage reduction cannot be played around.

The Bad Touch2 votes

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Irelia's dash is targeted just like Yasuo. Everything else in Yasuo's kit is dodgeable (Q, Q3, even EQ, his ult can't hit you if you weren't hit by him or his teamates before). You can even aim around his Windwall (most of the time won't get the chance to reposition before the fight is over though) while Irelia's damage reduction cannot be played around.

The point is Yas doesn't HAVE to land anything. just toss up windwall and spam r until someone on his team lands a knockup. The worse yas player on the planet can win a team fight doing only that.

The same cannot be said for irelia.

ProjecL1 votes

[{quoted}](name=notice me Sin pi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LRBQsHtH,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-05-15T15:05:40.786+0000)

agreed, rito needs to gut yasuo so that this game does become the right game for most of the playerbase

But Yasuo is one of the most picked champions, meaning most of the champions likes the game with Yasuo?

GinormousVner1 votes

But most people find Yasuo completely fine.

it's only the vocal minority on this board who bitch about everything (and are ironically the only people who think the jungle changes are "healthy") that complain.

I.E - Silver stuck shitters

notice me Sin pi1 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/Yasuo/Middle?&league=silver

i dont think it's all silver stuck shitters, if he's getting 5~6% ban rate in silver. Data isn't too accurate on the site but I think it's still safe to assume that actual ban rate is way under 20% ban rate in silver.

Spice and Wolf20 votes

We just found the mastery 7 yasuo main

AirKingNeo11 votes

Being a Yasuo main on the boards is being a mouse in a house full of cats.

NemeBro2 votes

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Being a Yasuo main on the boards is being a mouse in a house full of cats.

Not really, most of the boards are too poorly equipped in the mental to really handle my bants.

MorganFreemanBot7 votes

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Being a Yasuo main on the boards is being a mouse in a house full of cats.

Eh. It's more like being a cat in a house full of cats. Only the other cats are autistic and won't stop screaming.

AirKingNeo1 votes

they aren't persecuting you for being a cat

Handy Sandy 9 votes

why not ban someone that's more of a threat like maybe kha or mundo

Dope Solo7 votes

That's the only real counterplay Yas has.

GinormousVner1 votes

Sure, if you're in Bronze/Silver

Dope Solo1 votes

Lolalytics has Yas ban rate at 50% for the last 7-days, and thats in Diamond +. Rank-shamer Hasagi'd.

Coldfusionstorm2 votes

Nobody is talking about being bad or flaming or anything, It's just a fact that banning Yasou gives you a warm fuzzy feeling , i mean i could ban Leblonk that oneshots me, Talon that ONeshots me, Syndra That oneshots me, Malz that's one combo me while i can't do anything. But banning a Yasou is the best. Didn't ban draven he's popping off? im 0/9 , that's fine! i banned Yasou! He's most annoying champ in the game, Only followed by the most idiotic lore design that is Aurelion sol, Hurp Durp im a cosmic dragon i can get trapped by mortals:

[zombie-brand-facepalm] [zombie-brand-clap]

Lolman9782 votes

Same feels for me only I ban Zed

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