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Lets not call it True Sight If certain champs stealth is immune to it

Rewt··25 votes·10,703 views

Like come on riot I understand that the champs that are essentially immune to it came out after you came up with the idea for true sight, but like. Either remove the true sight immunity or remove true sight.

Like I understand the game enough to know what is going on, but your big push over the years has been to remove elements from the game that are contradictory or unintuitive. And well. This one is pretty contradictory.

Its just kind of silly.

and yea that certain champion. Im talking about Akali shroud. Like.... Riot. Come on.

P.S. - Nowhere in the ability Description does it mention the immunity to true sight. So it might be a bug. Or just an oversight in the ability description. But yea. This kind of "hidden ability" shit is pretty dumb.

Akali drops a cover of smoke. While inside the shroud, Akali becomes invisible and unable to be selected by enemy spells and attacks and gains Movement Speed. Attacking or using abilities will briefly reveal her.

Drops a smoke bomb, unleashing a spreading cover of smoke lasting {{ baseduration }} seconds.The smoke obscures Akali from enemy vision and grants her 20/25/30/35/40% movement speed.Entering or exiting obscured extends Shroud's duration.

40 Comments

The thigh guy9 votes

Stealth is already a broken mechanic that never should have made it into the game, true stealth is just riot fucking off.

Rewt5 votes

stealth is fine. "I can dip in and out basically at will with attacking being essentially not a problem at all while also being immune to all true sight except towers" is not fine.

Irelia Bot9 votes

Might as well just delete shroud and give her a zed ult for W instead at this point.

Blåsigt6 votes

[{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LOjLdb88,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-06-07T00:58:37.828+0000)

Might as well just delete shroud and give her a zed ult for W instead at this point.

I mean, other champions that rely on stealth are revealed via true sight. Why should Akali not also be revealed through true sight?

ModWulf Helhammer11 votes

Because her stealth is in a confined area that you know the exact location of. Every other champion's stealth in the game allows them free movement with it. Akali's does not.

Blåsigt7 votes

[{quoted}](name=Wilk Rycerz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LOjLdb88,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-06-07T02:49:29.740+0000)

Because her stealth is in a confined area that you know the exact location of. Every other champion's stealth in the game allows them free movement with it. Akali's does not.

True, her location is known, to a certain extent if she remains inside the shroud. That being said, if some one is going to expend an ability to counter her stealth ability, is it not a fair trade?

Irelia Bot6 votes

[{quoted}](name= Blåsigt,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LOjLdb88,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-07T03:06:46.660+0000)

True, her location is known, to a certain extent if she remains inside the shroud. That being said, if some one is going to expend an ability to counter her stealth ability, is it not a fair trade?

You must not know how useless Akali's shroud was when pink wards, Lee E and TF ult among other things would show her. It was basically an ability only useful for the movement speed and slow above silver 3.

It would be like Karma without Mantra or Zyra without plants being able to damage champions. You would have to buff the hell out of other aspects of the kit just to make them playable without it.

Z3Sleeper3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LOjLdb88,comment-id=00020000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-07T04:00:40.321+0000)

You must not know how useless Akali's shroud was when pink wards, Lee E and TF ult among other things would show her.

That was before Invisibility and Camouflage were defined and introduced. Now every champion with invisibility is immune to pink wards but TF ult and Rengar ult still effectively negate them.

Are you telling me Rengar being able to see Twitch in stealth is fair but seeing Akali in stealth isn't? These are ultimate abilities afterall.

FantasySniper4 votes

She wasn't useless at all? In fact, she was widely considered OP because of her insane sustain and lane bully prowess. I still remember the memes.

You couldn't always have a pink on you because of their cost and slot, let alone win trades against her even when you did.

Akali is SO HOT2 votes

She wasn't useless, but her shroud was for the most part outside of low elo. A competent support would have pinks in their inventory at all times to reveal her. In high elo you would mainly use it for the speed boost or slow and getting stealth at least for a little bit before they pinked you.

During early and start of mid game you would typically be able to use the stealth part of it a lot, but it would become a lot less useful or completely useless as the game went on. Not to mention that Oracle's used to be in the game so the enemy ADC would be able to see you at all times when mid - late game rolled around.

RavenMagus3 votes

Because the rest of her kit had to be incredible to make up for the fact that she just didn't have a W much of the time.

DuskDaUmbreon2 votes

It was useless.

The thing was that her 3 abilities had to make up for her near-useless W. And that made her busted in lower tier because you'd see maybe two pink wards per match in silver and below.

A champion can be strong and an ability of that champ can still be trash. Ezreal was, until fairly recently, a prime example of this - He could be strong, but his W was pretty much never useful no matter what you did.

Spicy Rice2 votes

Lol, maybe early, but late game, when you are 6 items?

There's a reason people were begging for a pink ward slot...

Cevrad1 votes

Would still rather have an ability be able to be counterplayed than hoping your team has massive AOEs to chunk her down in shroud. Shes been busted in every form shes been in and the common denominator is shroud and high damage.

Ayzev2 votes

Fair point, but shouldn't this also apply to Teemo?

Daddy Ants4 votes

{quoted}

Fair point, but shouldn't this also apply to Teemo?

True Sight effects do reveal Teemo.

True Stealth shouldn't exist as a whole, True Sight is meant to be the counterplay.

Akali needs to lose the true stealth and be re-balanced around it not existing.

Ayzev2 votes

{quoted}

True Sight effects do reveal Teemo.

You seem to have missed my point. I'm saying if Akali deserves to be immune to true sight because her stealth requires her to stay in one place, why doesn't Teemo, despite him also needing to stay completely still or be inside a bush?

True Stealth shouldn't exist as a whole, True Sight is meant to be the counterplay.

Akali needs to lose the true stealth and be re-balanced around it not existing.

Agreed.

Leetri2 votes

Because you can still see her shroud, so you know the general area she's in. Teemo can be literally anywhere on the map except underneath an enemy tower. Make her shroud completely invisible to the other team with infinite duration, then yeah sure make her revealed by True Sight.

Ayzev2 votes

But if he stealths in just any random spot on the map, that doesn't accomplish anything. Meanwhile, Akali can go in and out of stealth in combat, hitting people while they're unable to hit her back.

Leetri1 votes

Teemo can stealth just before you walk up to an area to ambush you, but you will never know that since for all you know he could be on the other side of the map. That's my point. It's not like he's gonna stealth at wolf camp and stay there for 10 minutes hoping someone walks by.

Pika Fox3 votes

{quoted}

You seem to have missed my point. I'm saying if Akali deserves to be immune to true sight because her stealth requires her to stay in one place, why doesn't Teemo, despite him also needing to stay completely still or be inside a bush?

Agreed.

Because teemo can stealth anywhere with no indication. Akali is only allowed stealth inside a telegraphed area.

Ayzev2 votes

But unlike Teemo she is allowed to do that on demand and in combat.

Pika Fox1 votes

{quoted}

But unlike Teemo she is allowed to do that on demand and in combat.

So? Shes an assassin.

Ayzev2 votes

And what does that have to do with Teemo being revealed by true sight and Alkali not? I could see your first reply still being on-topic if you were going to make a "one is stronger than the other" argument. But her being an assassin? How is that relevant?

Irelia Bot1 votes

{quoted}

You seem to have missed my point. I'm saying if Akali deserves to be immune to true sight because her stealth requires her to stay in one place, why doesn't Teemo, despite him also needing to stay completely still or be inside a bush?

Agreed.

Have her shroud completely deleted and replace is more like it with that kind of talk.

TengenToppaGnar2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Wilk Rycerz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LOjLdb88,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2019-06-07T02:49:29.740+0000)

Because her stealth is in a confined area that you know the exact location of. Every other champion's stealth in the game allows them free movement with it. Akali's does not.

.... Teemo doesn't like your poor joke.

Rewt1 votes

The reason i think that this situation is dumb is because iirc Towers which have true sight see her, but no other true sight does. even tho its the same thing.

Woodakoodashooda4 votes

An ability lacks an accurate tool tip description?!

He remarked sarcastically.

Śhunpo4 votes

Revert the assassin update, it was a mistake.

Ayzev1 votes

That's not what gave Akali this shroud though

Śhunpo3 votes

You could pink ward Akali's shroud pre-assassin update.

Ayzev1 votes

But she was still revealed by things like a Lee Q/E, wasn't she? And she certainly didn't remain stealthed under turrets.

xDogMeatx3 votes

true sight: sees true stealth

OUR BATTLE WILL BE LEGENDARY!!!

Daddy Ants3 votes

Akali is only the stealth champion who's immune to the mechanic.

Vayne Twitch Shaco Talon Kaisa Khazix Evelynn Pyke Teemo Rengar are revealed by True Sight.

Radiant Seraph1 votes

What? No they are not. The only ones from that list that are not immune to true sight are Twitch, Evelynn, Rengo and Pyke because their stealth is camouflage, which is revealed by True Sight, as opposed to invisibility, which is not.

Daddy Ants1 votes

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What? No they are not. The only ones from that list that are not immune to true sight are Twitch, Evelynn, Rengo and Pyke because their stealth is camouflage, which is revealed by True Sight, as opposed to invisibility, which is not.

I think you've either misread my post or just don't understand Stealth as a whole.

 

https://i.gyazo.com/2733459560304d8725ea856cb8eef12a.png

All of the champions I listed can be revealed by True Sight.

Unit VISION effects such as Jinx Zap or Lee Sin E do not reveal Invisibility as they are not true sight effects.

 

True sight abilities are things like Twisted Fate R, Fizz R, Caitlyn R, Lee Sin Q, Zyra W, Vi R, Illaoi E, Lulu E.

https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Stealth#Invisibility

Invisibility is countered by True sight but not by Control Wards.

Camouflage is countered by True Sight and Control Wards.

 

Why do you think Caitlyn players like to ult a Vayne during her ult? It grants True Sight.

DuskDaUmbreon3 votes

Except you know exactly where she is, then.

Is Yuumi invisible because she pressed W? How about Fizz on his E? Does Poppy's ult knock you into a bucket of camo paint?

No, none of that does. Yet they all functionally same thing as Akali's W when true sight is on her - It makes them untargetable.

Obviously you can still hit Akali in her W, so she's not truly untargetable. But the point remains that the only drawback is "I can't right-click her in her W if she has true sight on her". You see her outline and it's not even the shitty shimmer that Oracles gives - It's a real-time outline.

So, since we've determined that you can see her, you just can't right-click her...Why are we still on the "BUT MEH TRUE SIGHT!!!!!!!!!" circlejerk?

Raven Redeemed2 votes

I really wish more people understood this.

Rewt1 votes

You can right click her if she is near a tower. Because Towers have true sight. So why do towers True sight WHICH IS LITERALLY THE SAME TOOL TIP, Operate differently. If Tower true sight sees her then all true sight should.

and it would be straight broken if towers couldn't see her.

EDIT: you also don't get an outline. You get the little "revealed" eyes above the target but that's it. Not even an outline.

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