Is the 15-90HP rune stat worth taking on Tank champions?

BeatzBoyFTW·Nov 26, 2018·2 votes·3,563 views

I heard that the value doesn't do a lot, so was wondering if it's worth taking it over the Armor or Magic Resist on certain Tank champions.

18 Comments

DM For Rat FactsNov 26, 20185 votes

it's almost never worth taking

MegaSpaceJXNov 26, 20185 votes

change it to health regen plz

SwiftKitten88Nov 26, 20181 votes

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change it to health regen plz

if that was +15 hp regen at lvl 1 that would be busted XD

MegaSpaceJXNov 26, 20181 votes

doesnt have to be 15

Moody PNov 26, 20181 votes

but it should

Rathar DashingNov 26, 20181 votes

pls [sg-soraka]

KFCeytronNov 26, 20183 votes

item 1033 is 25 MR for 450g. item 1028 is 150 health for 400g (168.75 health per 450g). 1 MR therefore has a value of roughly 6.75 health, so 6 MR is worth around 40.5 health.

Rune stats can give you 6 MR or 15-90 health. The health rune gives you more than 40.5 health starting at level 7. Given game length and the importance of early game, the health rune's late-game scaling is generally seen as not worth the trade-off.

Myren QuiddleNov 26, 20182 votes

I mostly go armor/magic resist on tanks, and I actually take the health on mages/adc's/fighters/whatsoever for the extra bit of health. On tanks it won't matter that much, but the little extra health is quite nice on more squishy champs :)

DuskDaUmbreonNov 26, 20182 votes

Not really, except maybe on a few tanks who have a ton of resistances already.

So, like, maybe Leona or Sejuani. Kinda useless on most other tanks, though

Cptn Han SoloQNov 26, 20182 votes

It is a noobtrap. U get more value out of straight up armor or mr.[poppy-wink]

Salvor HardınNov 26, 20181 votes

Let Riot change it to 1-18 movement speed per level.

BenLegend443Nov 26, 20181 votes

Take armor or MR. Only take the health on squishies.

AlzonNov 26, 20181 votes

It’s great if you’re rushing something like Frozen Heart, or plan to build Sunfire > Thornmail/IBG/FH. The more armor you have, the better HP is.

It’s especially good if the enemy does mixed damage, since the value of armor/MR are halved.

Rathar DashingNov 26, 20181 votes

The amount of health you get never becomes relevant, unless you're taking Overgrowth or Cinderhulk, or otherwise can multiply your HP. The other two stats, however, only counter one type of damage, so while they may do their job well, you're still just as weak to the other side. That being said, minions, monsters and towers all deal physical damage, along with most champions early on when the +5 armor matters most, so armor is a much better go-to choice than a little HP.

ankoanko19Nov 26, 20181 votes

The only time you take this is when you're unsure who you're up against.

thefanceNov 26, 20181 votes

I've done some EHP (Effective Hitpoints) calculations using Ashe. I've ignored other sources of stats, such as items.

N.B. Some players are analyzing the runes in terms of Gold Efficiency. Such a method is less useful than analyzing EHP because items don't usually scale with levels and therefore their effectiveness fluctuates depending on the stage of the match. E.g. Conqueror often makes HP items more attractive than armor items until about level 13. Gold Efficiency calculations can't account for interactions like this.

At level 1, Ashe will receive -- (18.9) physical EHP and (19.5) magic EHP from 15 additional HP. -- (27.0) physical EHP and (0) magic EHP from 5 additional armor. -- (0) physical EHP and (32.3) magic EHP from 6 additional MR.

At level 18, Ashe will receive -- (165.4) physical EHP and (124.7) magic EHP from 90 additional HP. -- (99.2) physical EHP and (0) magic EHP from 5 additional armor. -- (0) physical EHP and (119.0) magic EHP from 6 additional MR.

Observations: -- In the lategame, the HP Rune is strictly better than the Armor Rune or MR Rune. LDR and Voidstaff will magnify this difference. -- In the earlygame, the Armor Rune and MR Rune are stronger than the HP Rune. But this assumes that you're laning against a single type of damage. -- The HP Rune outscales the Armor Rune in terms of Physical EHP at lvl 5. -- The HP Rune outscales the MR Rune in terms of Magic EHP at lvl 14. -- The HP Rune isn't as bad as Gold Efficiency might lead us to believe.

Miscellaneous thoughts: -- The reason armor is lower than magic resist is probably because armor is more versatile since it reduces damage from the environment. E.g. Jungle camps, minion waves, and towers. -- Sources of HP Regen such as potions will magnify the strength of Armor and MR in the early game. -- In the lategame, items become more important. Which means runes are comparatively less important. -- Lategame is a stage which isn't always reached.

Conclusion: