Why does everyone call for Ahri nerfs now?

doiminat0r3600·Jan 14, 2017·10 votes·1,425 views

What has she done to get herself into this spotlight? She hasn't been changed in around 4 months. Why all the hate now?

For the record, I think she is balanced IMO but a lot of people are calling for nerfs for seemingly no reason. I get she has a powerful kit but she always has, especially since her last change (6.18). Why now?

Edit: Why is this getting downvoted? It's a legitimate question. I have hardly played against her and I don't see the big deal. Ive seen her once in my past 20 games. We even crushed the ahri. So I dont know why and I was asking the community for an explaination. Guess I wont ask any more clarification questions anymore.

49 Comments

dominusxJan 14, 20177 votes

obnoxious champ that is EXTREMENLY safe has waveclear cc burst list goes on. overloaded as hell kit stable high winrate over the years anything else? skillshotrelient w r do half the dmg and they arent even aimed they are toggled also it's pretty easy to hit a skill when you flashed 3 fkn times in 1.2 seconds.

rtbf221651412Jan 14, 20173 votes

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obnoxious champ that is EXTREMENLY safe has waveclear cc burst list goes on. overloaded as hell kit stable high winrate over the years anything else? skillshotrelient w r do half the dmg and they arent even aimed they are toggled also it's pretty easy to hit a skill when you flashed 3 fkn times in 1.2 seconds.

If you can't dodge her E, then I feel sorry for you.

dominusxJan 14, 20174 votes

yeh dodge her E after she comes up point blank on you. while also having more dashes to dodge any skillshot you throw at her. if you actually survive her upfront burst with ult Q w tld.

rtbf221651412Jan 14, 20172 votes

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yeh dodge her E after she comes up point blank on you. while also having more dashes to dodge any skillshot you throw at her. if you actually survive her upfront burst with ult Q w tld.

If you allow her to come up point blank at you, that is your problem. You can easily hide behind minions and just cs. You kinda get more gold overtime from minions anyway?

Did I mention I feel sorry for you?

dominusxJan 14, 20174 votes

what minnions? they die after she Q's them hehe did you forget she has great waveclear post 1st recall?

rtbf221651412Jan 14, 20173 votes

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what minnions? they die after she Q's them hehe did you forget she has great waveclear post 1st recall?

Did I mention I feel sorry for you?

If you want to complain about a champion with safe wave clear, Ekko should be your target.

dominusxJan 14, 20176 votes

beeing bronze you should feel sorry for yourself tbh. nuff with you.

rtbf221651412Jan 14, 20172 votes

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beeing bronze you should feel sorry for yourself tbh. nuff with you.

I feel sorry that you are most likely a higher elo with that comment and still have issues with Ahri.

Good talk. Good talk.

dominusxJan 14, 20176 votes

i'd say talk to the hand but beeing bronze you probably dont know what that is. gl in your game.

rtbf221651412Jan 14, 20172 votes

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i'd say talk to the hand but beeing bronze you probably dont know what that is. gl in your game.

Broken logic is still broken logic.

NahuiJan 14, 20172 votes

Well I mean you make it sound too easy. Just hide behind minions, sure. Until level six, in which case minions are a nonfactor. You also assume all 6-7 minions are always in play. Sometimes there aren't enough minions to cover all angles. Sometimes, charm doesn't need to land to 100-0 with you, since you're not always at full health. Always dodge her skill shots? You certainly can try. If Ahri never landed them, they'd buff projectile speed so it's assumed she lands them often enough.

It's never simply "Dodge E." That's counterplay to any champion that isn't point-click oriented. By that logic, Zed was never a problem, Veigar wasn't a problem, Syndra was never a problem, etc. The counterplay is never to simply dodge because skillshots are balanced around being able to reasonably land them. Otherwise, they'd be underpowered and they would be buffed. Think old nidalee and the reason she was changed.

Not saying she's without counterplay, but there is no valid argument utilizing "Just dodge X skillshot". There are other valid arguments, but not that one.

rtbf221651412Jan 14, 20171 votes

{quoted} Always dodge her skill shots? You certainly can try. If Ahri never landed them, they'd buff projectile speed so it's assumed she lands them often enough.

If her skillshots were that easy, you would see her bot with this meta. I would list the items needed but your post was too long that the save button with my script blocker is blocking it.

NahuiJan 14, 20171 votes

Not saying her skillshots are easy, I'm just saying they aren't as easy to dodge as you imply. There's a difference.

rtbf221651412Jan 14, 20173 votes

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i'd say talk to the hand but beeing bronze you probably dont know what that is. gl in your game.

The fact this was up-voted means people can't tell the difference between ranked and English comprehension.

dominusxJan 14, 20173 votes

or people enjoy a good laugh. bronze and butthurt damn. switch game you wont last long in here.

rtbf221651412Jan 14, 20172 votes

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or people enjoy a good laugh. bronze and butthurt damn. switch game you wont last long in here.

Your the butthurt one. Over an ahri a bronze isn't even complaining about with 6% less winrate. Woooo big deal. 6%.

dominusxJan 14, 20173 votes

i'm butthurt eh? hmm fine if you say so. come argue with me about champion balance when you are at least 10tiers below me not 20. then i MIGHT talk this through with you. You can be a great guy outside league but since we talk about LEAGUE and our skill difference is so GIGANTIC you cant talk back to me about this matter especially since i'm in the right and ppl agree with me. it's not like i'm saying Velkoz Q has no counterplay or someshit i'm talking about a 55+winrate in DIAMOND champ with a HIGH playrate. aka NOT ONLY ONETRICKS play her. If you say morde has a 58% win rate FINE like 10 players play him per server and all of them are STRICT onetricks.

rtbf221651412Jan 14, 20171 votes

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i'm butthurt eh? hmm fine if you say so. come argue with me about champion balance when you are at least 10tiers below me not 20. then i MIGHT talk this through with you. You can be a great guy outside league but since we talk about LEAGUE and our skill difference is so GIGANTIC you cant talk back to me about this matter especially since i'm in the right and ppl agree with me. it's not like i'm saying Velkoz Q has no counterplay or someshit i'm talking about a 55+winrate in DIAMOND champ with a HIGH playrate. aka NOT ONLY ONETRICKS play her. If you say morde has a 58% win rate FINE like 10 players play him per server and all of them are STRICT onetricks.

You act like Ahri wasn't always this way. She has been for quite a while now. I know it's hard to read, but you can do it!

dominusxJan 14, 20171 votes

yet she isnt getting changed? that's the point. the only reason she wasnt talked about is because Syndra Azir Orianna Leblanc Viktor Anivia Malzahar Taliyah have been SEVERLY more broken than her so there was no reason to pick a stable good champ over a BROKEN champ. It's like telling me pick Kha zix when i can pick heca and do the same job way better thats why she wasnt argued about last 2 seasons

rtbf221651412Jan 15, 20172 votes

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yet she isnt getting changed? that's the point. the only reason she wasnt talked about is because have been SEVERLY more broken than her so there was no reason to pick a stable good champ over a BROKEN champ. It's like telling me pick Kha zix when i can pick heca and do the same job way better thats why she wasnt argued about last 2 seasons

You just said Ahri was 55+ winrate basically and then come to put up another point while other people are saying 54%. Which is it? And how is she more broken than other champions that are even more of need of being looked at? Have you looked into a possibly of how this jungle/bot meta is affecting Ahri late game, adc's being unable to catch her, and etc? Due to being under farmed and ganked a lot?

PennsJan 14, 20173 votes

"Still have issues with Ahri"... Why exactly does she have such a high win rate in plat+ then tho?

dominusxJan 14, 20173 votes

because beeign an overloaded shit with burst and safety is always a good thing aka pre nerf Zed/Kassa/Azir

rtbf221651412Jan 14, 20172 votes

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"Still have issues with Ahri"... Why exactly does she have such a high win rate in plat+ then tho?

54% is high? She is already the 50% mark. How is that broken?

PennsJan 14, 20172 votes

Yeah, 54 for months is high oo Everything above 56-57 + is like out of this world busted lol.

rtbf221651412Jan 14, 20171 votes

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Yeah, 54 for months is high oo Everything above 56-57 + is like out of this world busted lol.

54% or 56%? Which is it?

PennsJan 14, 20172 votes

Her 54 win rate is good because everything above 56-57% is.. you know.

rtbf221651412Jan 14, 20171 votes

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Her 54 win rate is good because everything above 56-57% is.. you know.

Doesn't that mean she doesn't need a nerf by that logic and others do?

You can't say one thing then another.

Risk of FateJan 14, 20177 votes

I'm going to guess because she has a lot of mobility and safety in the current "One Shot", "Turret Dive", "Squishy Marksmans" meta we are currently in. She's very good at taking out one person and getting out, especially with the early-mid game when she hit 6.

With early game domination being the deciding factor of a lot of games, this is where she should shine the most. However, it's more so the fact that a lot of other champions simply are unable to keep up with Camille's release.

If a champion lacks any form of mobility like a dash, jump, or flash, they're going to essentially be deleted and constantly eaten for dinner by those with those tools. Mages with reliable CC are now a hot pick against burst mage types since, once they go through an entire rotation of spells, they're essentially walking bags of gold for assassins.

As well as that, bot lane and jungle have become the deciding factors of any game. First to get the tower tends to be the one who wins first. On top of that, fights are so volatile that one mistake pretty much means instant loss with how snowbally games are.

Attticus FinchJan 14, 20175 votes

Ahri has always had an extremely obnoxious and ridiculous kit- she just fell out of the meta long enough for people to forget. They're now remembering.

KindredAndWolfJan 14, 20175 votes

I'm sorry ahri does not do enough damage fast enough to be considered op. Meanwhile kat can teleport 10 times in 30 secs or less now with a non ultimate ability and some minions and people aren't complaining about her yet. I'm an old Ahri main that got tired of losing with her. She just has to do SOOO much more to get a kill than most mages atm

AnonagonJan 14, 20174 votes

I imagine that people are finally tired of Ahri being a tier 1 soloQ mid laner for almost two whole years now.

MagicFlyingLlamaJan 14, 20173 votes

54% winrate in diamond, down to 52% in silver. 49% in bronze.

I think it is a byproduct of metagame changes, more than anything else.

doiminat0r3600Jan 14, 20173 votes

Leblanc has a 54% average winrate, with a 6.6% pickrate. What about her?

Why pick ahri, who has a lower winrate and a higher pickrate, over someone that has a higher winrate with a lower pickrate?

2Charmnot2CharmJan 15, 20172 votes

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Leblanc has a 54% average winrate, with a 6.6% pickrate. What about her?

Why pick ahri, who has a lower winrate and a higher pickrate, over someone that has a higher winrate with a lower pickrate?

Heck leblanc has a high ban rate too and if a champ has a high ban rate it's for a reason.

Meanwhile ahri rarely ever gets banned out even though you see constant bitching about her on these forums since 2013. Kek

Just ignore these ahri nerf threads or read for the salt she's causing.

2 Weezy BabyJan 14, 20173 votes

noobs getting shit on by ahri this month instead of yasuo.

DynikusJan 14, 20173 votes

She hasn't been changed in around 4 months. Why all the hate now?

the boards like to latch onto one champion and complain about them for a week or so, then they move on to the next. The hate bandwagon does this a lot, just let it pass by.

rtbf221651412Jan 14, 20172 votes

Everyone is calling for nerfs after the bot lane incidents.

ScissorsNstuffJan 14, 20172 votes

because after rank resets they need something to take their frustrations out on so they pick the champ that cheeses them in their shit elo in the most spectacular and hawt way possible. And thus ahri

jinxedchefJan 14, 20172 votes

She is one top three in play rate and win rate. She is back to the point were bad Ahri players can miss most of their skillshots and still get the kill.

ChalizardJan 14, 20172 votes

Imao she was always stupid, it's too safety champ for such damage and Cc. There are more op champions for sure, but that doesn't justify her silly kit.

Dark NephthysJan 15, 20172 votes

It just feels like these nerf threads start off as some one gets destroyed by some random champion and makes a thread to complain about the champion. Then a lot of the community just looks at the thread thinking "Oh I don't main this champion, so I will agree with this thread and complain with them!" and then eventually it just spreads out to be constant hate and threads asking for nerfs on the champion.

Personally, I think Ahri is fine the way she is. I've never fought against her and thought that there was nothing I could do against her. Yes she has decent poke, good wave clear and she is a very safe champion but she is not the only one that is like that. Besides, she hasn't been changed in a while so if she feels any stronger it might be due to the changes to the other mid laners.

ChargeItDownMidJan 14, 20171 votes

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rtbf221651412Jan 14, 20172 votes

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It is because she has been above average borderline op for a few patches now.

It's been past those patches for quite a while now?

ChargeItDownMidJan 14, 20172 votes

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rtbf221651412Jan 14, 20172 votes

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And there has not been any action which is why people are starting to stir. Ahri is clearly above average and requires a nerf to be put on the same level as a mid tier champion. That being said, she isn't the most broken champion and there are others who deserve a nerf ahead of her.

That is why I brought up the janna comparison. If you ranked every champion in league by their power, ahri has consistently been in the 20-40 range. As a result, she obviously needs nerfs to be put on par with the average champions but never a high priority for nerfs. After a few months, though, there does get to a time where riot should eventually address the issue.

I agree with some of what you said, as like a lot of champions deserve a nerf above her. A lot of people just want her nerfed NOW, which is stupid.

Upvoted for decent logic. Hard to find that at times apparently on these boards.

rtbf221651412Jan 14, 20171 votes

This community hasn't kept up with her updates apparently and decide now to complain. It's quite sad.