Why The hate on Tanks.

GigglesO·Dec 19, 2016·66 votes·3,745 views

Everyone wants a tank to be on their team, but no one wants to play one. You know why, they don't feel good to play lategame, because of how fast they die, compared to how little damage they deal. Yet, every time, someone asks for tanks to be buffed: "naw man, tanks are fine, they shouldn't live more than 5 seconds anyways" or "naw man, I just saw a tank 1v5 us for 10 seconds, and kill somone" "I hate playing against tanks in lane"

Make up your mind, tanks are valuable, if you don't want to die in .5 seconds ask rito for a tank buff already, or a damage nerf.

116 Comments

venomous frostDec 19, 201618 votes

nobody plays them because they hit like a wet noodle when built full tank,

the fact they can't cs for shit, and jungle clears are slower than khartus ult cd

they just don't feel fun to play in soloQ

RalanrDec 19, 201626 votes

Yet people complain when dying to tanks.

Sion hurts people.

venomous frostDec 19, 201643 votes

people complain about everything

TheSingularityDec 20, 20162 votes

sion is a juggernaut

SpoofghoulDec 20, 201612 votes

Hmmm no

Sion is more of a hybrid between a juggernaut and a tank

But has more tank qualities he also has some juggernaut qualities like the damage but at the expense of being by far the most telegraphed champion in the game

YumaS2AstralDec 21, 20162 votes

People say Sion is a juggernaut because he is literally "the Undead Juggernaut" (this is his champion title)

General TherittDec 21, 20161 votes

Sion isn't even close. True, his mobility is hilariously weak, but that's because he has so much CC its nearly a permanent lockdown on his target. Q knock up, with its added slow, his W makes him a versatile wall of HP if you can farm, his E slows a target and reduces armor, extremely useful for teamfights where shouting a minion into a group can drastically lower armor, allowing for an ADC all in, and your ult is extremely mobile, allowing you to fly into fights to intiate or help the team, while applying one of the games longest CC durations possible. He's really just this amalgamation of HP and CC. Oh, and his passive is useful for last bursts of trade power and extremely frightening to deal with, making him capable of suddenly pummeling a close range carry to death.

TheSingularityDec 21, 20161 votes

Just goin off how riot categorised him last time I saw. May have changed, IDk

General TherittDec 21, 20161 votes

juggernauts are heavy damagers, but usually lack the mobility to stick with their targets, like Darius and Nasus. They have some forms of CC, but its to keep up with targets. Sion straight up doesn't allow them to move

Jet SettDec 20, 201611 votes

Zac is here to invalidate all of which you have said.

GayFluffyUnicornDec 20, 20162 votes

Tanks are fine in high elo. Diamond +. But now after my dogshit placements i start in plat 5 and played my tanks top as usual and no matter how good i play we just lose because i can'T deal dmg and have to rely on my trash teammates to deal dmg which does not happen... Once you reached diamond and people start to have a clue about this game tanks are hella fun to play. Like poppy and maokai are currently god tier. Here in plat5 all you is riven and yasuo... Well i switched back to midlane and have to hard carry my way back to diamond before i can play tank again.

CochoDec 21, 20162 votes

A player doesn't randomly start liking to play maokai because they're diamond lol

What flawed reasoning lol

SpoofghoulDec 20, 201611 votes

I don't know why people ever complain about tanks dealing damage

yes if you have 0 defense they can hurt just like everything else

DOH

But they get shut down by armor/mr so hard its not even funny if that tank getting in your face is a problem all you have to do is build 1 defensive item and they can't do shit anymore

But you know whats funny?

A tank building 5/6 defensive items gets absolutely shit on by damage even without shit like the last whisper items

CochoDec 21, 20161 votes

Often times an adc can't afford to do that. Either the item he needs doesn't exist or it did, but riot nerfed it for ADCs. Some mids have strict builds because of how they work.

For both laners, if they build to survive the tank, (or even the carries), then they're going to be doing less than the enemy carry as a result.

For an example, its like making GA because the enemy team has a zed.

Your build is Ashe item 3508 item 3085 item 3026 item 3006

enemy adc has Caitlyn item 3031 item 3085 item 3094 item 3006

See the problem? Cait is going to outdamage you by a shit ton. I'm not complaining just providing insight.

CochoDec 19, 201610 votes

They're boring. That's why nobody plays them. Have you played maokai? Litterally so dam boring I fall asleep and get leaverbuster for 2 hours.

Now playing against a maokai, he snares you, knocks you back, then slows you with item 3025 . Then repeats the process. If you misposition, you're probably dead in the midgame/lategame. He sets up ganks well early as well. Its good in teamplay with like tp ganks and shit, dives, setting things up for your team.

If thats your forte, thats fine, its just a boring playstyle in comparison to what you could be playing top lane imo.

Maokai DrMundo Malphite Shen Sion (I like shen though) vs. Illaoi Heimerdinger Ekko Irelia Fiora MonkeyKing Vladimir Quinn Kennen Karthus Darius Akali Pantheon Gangplank Renekton

Do I want a tank on my team? Yes. I would love for the to point and click on the Vayne , so I can kill her with Katarina .

Whos job would I rather do?

RalanrDec 19, 20162 votes

I like tanking. Do you understand the job of a five man ult?

It's beautiful.

CochoDec 19, 20162 votes

Yeah, I was exaggerating a bit tbh, but I think you get the point.

malphite 5 man ult does feel pretty good, but not as good as full ap malphite 5 man ult :P you see what I mean

RalanrDec 20, 20162 votes

I was more so talking about Sion.

RocketRelmDec 19, 20163 votes

Zac

Hi. I'm a tank. I bring CC. I find my job very fun, thank you.

Though being fair, on a scale from Nautilus to DrMundo , my blob leans heavily to the right end.

MelledoneusDec 20, 201612 votes

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boring playstyle

http://media.tumblr.com/4e566ec84966085ea2929bbbc6a62909/tumblr_inline_mol6q4JNOK1qz4rgp.gif

Troll for TrumpDec 20, 201615 votes

tank

http://i.imgur.com/wnIaRyJ.gif

FantasySniperDec 20, 20165 votes

"HE'S NOT A TANK, HE'S A JUGGERNAUT!"

stfu already, if they're tanky as fuck, we're going to call them tanks, because that's what they are.

Troll for TrumpDec 20, 20168 votes

If it ain't peeling and/or dealing tons of dmg, it's no tank.

RivuoDec 20, 20161 votes

The ''its a juggernaut not a tank'' shit needs to stop.

'' tanks redirect enemy attacks or attention toward themselves in order to protect other characters or units''

Quote from Wiki

''Tanks are "meatshields", so to speak, putting themselves between the mobs and the more vulnerable party members.''

Quote from WoWwikis

People need to stop sayin that shit. Just because a champ doesnt have CC doesnt mean its not a tank

So what happens when Maokai blew all his CC? Hes no longer a tank until his CDs are back up?

Look at Shen, everyone classifys him as a tank but he has 1 CC thats easy to dodge.

Dumb topic. Considering Mundo is actually tankier than some tanks with his ult

RalanrDec 20, 20168 votes

WoW is a completely different game you realize.

Just because your CC is on cooldown doesn't mean you aren't a tank. It's the fact that you have such tools to control the fight while upclose. Mundo doesn't. He just refuses to die.

RivuoDec 20, 20161 votes

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WoW is a completely different game you realize.

Just because your CC is on cooldown doesn't mean you aren't a tank. It's the fact that you have such tools to control the fight while upclose. Mundo doesn't. He just refuses to die.

Yes you are correct but thats why i gave another link for more validity.

I dont know who started the ''tanks have to have cc'' shit because thats simply not true.

And to be frank it doesnt even matter juggernaut or tank because in essence they do the same thing.

Darius is classified as a bruiser/juggernaut but he has his E pull and W 90% slow.

Does that make him a tank ?

My point is that at this point, people need to stop getting so heated about that topic and actually stick to the point

alsoi havent seen tanks ''die'' in 3 seconds late game unless a vayne or twitch is hitting them

RalanrDec 20, 20166 votes

I agree that people should stick to their points, but their information should be accurate.

We don't need anymore "tanks doing too much damage!" Or "Not all tanks were buffed!" And have the argument showcase juggernauts as examples. Especially where in the first case they're supposed to hurt.

RivuoDec 20, 20162 votes

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I agree that people should stick to their points, but their information should be accurate.

We don't need anymore "tanks doing too much damage!" Or "Not all tanks were buffed!" And have the argument showcase juggernauts as examples. Especially where in the first case they're supposed to hurt.

I think tanks can definitly kill squishy champs. I've seen what a poppy or nautilus can do to a zed or adc

Yeah thats fine but i agree with ya, tanks dont necessilary do too much damage.

I think olaf and a few others ( bruisers ) are abusing the ''i build straight tank but do damage ) thing tho

RalanrDec 20, 20163 votes

Agreed. Tanks are going to hurt you if you aren't building much resistance at all.

Also agree on the bruiser problem (it feels like a bruiser meta) because as a class (with some exceptions like Mundo) they're encouraged to build at least one offensive item. If they can do fine without it then there is a problem imo.

Edit: towards other bruisers or durable champions I mean. Squishies are really weak to base damages of almost every class.

RivuoDec 20, 20162 votes

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Agreed. Tanks are going to hurt you if you aren't building much resistance at all.

Also agree on the bruiser problem (it feels like a bruiser meta) because as a class (with some exceptions like Mundo) they're encouraged to build at least one offensive item. If they can do fine without it then there is a problem imo.

As i see it, tanky champs are too good for the first 30 and bad after 35 minutes.

RalanrDec 20, 20163 votes

That's usually the case unless we're super ahead or can start teamfights well.

Late game our damage is pretty much nonexistent in comparison to others. As it should be imo.

CochoDec 21, 20161 votes

Alright look guys, he makes shit like

item 3065 item 3068 item 3083 item 3075 item 3742

but he isnt a tank because he make black cleaver 1st item. He isn't even 'tanky'

He's just the middle between a carry with 1500 healh and 50mr/50mr, and a maokai at 3k health with 180 mr/180 armor alright.

It's a garen with 2.6k health with 130 mr/180 armor alright. Because he made item 3071 . He's not even relatively tanky. He's about as tank as he is a squishy.

RalanrDec 21, 20164 votes

Tanky=/=Tank

CochoDec 21, 20162 votes

That's like saying I'm not an assassin when I'm a teemo with Teemo item 3100 item 3152 item 3089 item 3285 item 3135 item 2139

While I hide invisibly in a bush waiting to be facechecked

CochoDec 21, 20163 votes

Apparently riot thinks he's a tank

Primary fighter, secondary tank.

But yeah I guess ekko was an assassin right lol Ekko item 3065 item 3078 item 3068 item 3025

Idk man, this looks pretty tanky to me.

DrMundo item 3065 item 3068 item 3083 item 3075 item 3022

What a dumb arguement.

RalanrDec 21, 20162 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/3A5uuBw7-champion-subclass-list

More up to date information on Riot's champions and their classes.

CochoDec 21, 20161 votes

WOW WIERD A PAGE THAT DOESNT SHOW SECONDARYS

https://gyazo.com/4dacb9ab77a251d67e7f76bff9e24771

The client must be lying, cmon riot

RalanrDec 21, 20162 votes

I'm telling you that the client is out of date and Riot is adopting a new class system.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/dev-blog-classes-subclasses

Edit: Also secondaries mean jack shit when you have Xerath and Malzahar as assassins.

CochoDec 21, 20161 votes

Those 2 champs both got reworks. They both used to one shot carries lol

Mundo hasn't gotten a rework. Poor examples.

RalanrDec 21, 20161 votes

They were considered Mage/Assassin before their reworks dude. The point is that secondary typing doesn't really mean much at all.

Sahn UzalDec 21, 20162 votes

JarvanIV ''Tank - Fighter'' When is the last time you've actually seen a Full Tank Jarvan? Yeah I've never seen one either.

I'm with ya on this one, Ralanr, those classifications are outdated as shit.

Champion SkinDec 21, 20161 votes

Yeah there isn't much reason to build full tank on Jarvan since after he has used E + Q and R he doesn't really provide that much even if he is alive (well that is if he is full tank that is)

Dasdi96Dec 19, 20162 votes

People hate tanks because they slow down the game. They make the laning phase into a farm fest because the tank is unkillable with just one person.

RalanrDec 19, 201619 votes

Well excuse us for stopping the snowball.

And when we get tanks that are interactive in lane (like Poppy) people complain they are OP.

LovelleDec 20, 20166 votes

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Well excuse us for stopping the snowball.

And when we get tanks that are interactive in lane (like Poppy) people complain they are OP.

That's because Poppy scales into this tanky monster that never dies, always kills. There's little you can do about it.

Not as bad to deal with as old Poppy, but much more consistent, which is arguably worse. She always gets away with a sliver of health, generally after waltzing into your team, taking all the cooldowns you've got, and killing someone while she was at.

The champions that do counter her in lane tend to not scale well as she does without getting fed. Darius is one of the few and people are crying about him being OP right now.

RalanrDec 20, 20161 votes

What about Trundle, J4, and GP?

LovelleDec 21, 20161 votes

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What about Trundle, J4, and GP?

A good GP can lane against anyone, but he's another champion people regularly complain about whenever he's strong.

J4 is always decent, but Poppy outscales him right now. If he doesn't get fed off of her and her team, she'll come back. She also has the capacity to completely screw up his rotation. She can just straight up outduel him, with a full tank build, past mid game.

Trundle can deal with Poppy (as well as Darius), but she's a much better team fighter, as she offers more utility while being much harder to kite. Poppy hard counters mobility, while Trundle has some trouble dealing with mobility. His nerfed ult cooldown certainly isn't helping things either. I honestly think it should be reverted, as he is a much weaker champion when his ult is down.

Sahn UzalDec 21, 20161 votes