The problem with Zed and his ridiculous ban rates

Juggernaut628··4 votes·609 views

I'm sure people will disagree with me, but oh well we won't get anywhere without disagreeing on something.

I believe that the big problem about Zed is how easy it is to find success on him. Zed's kit is supposed to be very difficult, but realistically any player can go into a game as him and use his point and click ult, land a rather obnoxious skillshot, and then auto someone, possibly throwing in a W and E in the mix. Now yes this won't kill anyone early and snowball, but later this is well enough to kill an adc without QSS. It's too easy to use his kit to its main purpose of assassinating a carry because you don't need to do much to watch a carry pop for half their health bar and die.

Early game is another monster of its own. Everyone knows Zed has amazing lane poke with his Q and especially with a face roll W E Q in some varying order. Beginner Zed players can use this to just poke the enemy out of lane or at least weaken them for a post-6 all-in. It's not that hard to land Zed's Q, especially in lower elos where people are more likely to be beginner Zeds than pro Zeds. It's just a simple fat skillshot with very little effect on his energy because, well, it's energy, it regens fast. And it does a good 100 damage at rank 2 on a 5 second cooldown. One would hope someone could land at least a couple of Zed Q's in lane.

I do like Zed's kit and the uniqueness of his play style around his shadows, but right now it doesn't take much skill in using your shadows to be effectuve. I'm not smart so I don't know how anything could be done about this or if it's even the right idea. For all I know it could just be all the AD items are overtuned in his favor.

I'm sure people will downvote, but at least comment on what you think the problems with Zed are that caused his ban rates to reach 60%+.

14 Comments

Zorasama2 votes

Always the same problem : HE'S TOO SAFE

Juggernaut6281 votes

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Always the same problem : HE'S TOO SAFE

He is the AD LeBlanc after all. Doesnt mean it's fair though.

Zorasama1 votes

At least I can fight a fed LeBlanc back in some situation.

PDE5 Inhib1 votes

Lol....when?

Zorasama3 votes

When her skills are on CD, esp. her dash.

Zed can just AA you anyway because he's AD.

Juggernaut6281 votes

Just to note I don't hate Zed or anything I just felt like this would be a good idea in light of all the recent stuff regarding that ban rate.

Irelia Bot1 votes

For Zed it is a mix of items being to forgiving for him and his passive and Q making it way to easy for him to farm. Most Zed have one of if the the best CS in the game.

Nerf this factor and he will have more "skill" required to be effective.

Kivolan1 votes

How to fix Zed: Remove the ability to Q from his W, or only make it available after a swap with the shadow / when in very close proximity to the shadow. Now he can no longer farm / harass from a ridiculously safe distance but still maintains some poke with his standard Q.

Sona Ping1 votes

Yes, that would remove the ridiculous distance but it would also remove a large portion of damage from him which would be put back in elsewhere. And I'm not sure buffing his Q's damage more when it is already stronger than all of the other assassin's Q's, would be that great.

Kivolan1 votes

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Yes, that would remove the ridiculous distance but it would also remove a large portion of damage from him which would be put back in elsewhere. And I'm not sure buffing his Q's damage more when it is already stronger than all of the other assassin's Q's, would be that great.

They can add it as an additional attack damage buff after swapping with his shadow for all I care. I just want to be able to farm lane for more than a minute before I need to back / die to hit ult because I'm already at 25% health.

PDE5 Inhib1 votes

Coming from someone that hates Zed, that wouldn't fix him. That would kill him. Which to some is a fix, but I prefer all champs to be viable lol.

The problem is that just has too much. AD itemization > AP. item 3155 = never die in lane. He is too safe. He can cs too easily. Resourceless. There just doesn't seem to be any trade off for his high poke, burst, and mobility.

Elisza Kitsune1 votes

Even without a QSS have you SEEN a Zed pop a carry with just one AA, ult, Q, and E? His ult even with counters are on a somewhat low CD as well

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

Only when he was so obscenely fed, any champion would have been able to do the same

Juggernaut6281 votes

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Even without a QSS have you SEEN a Zed pop a carry with just one AA, ult, Q, and E? His ult even with counters are on a somewhat low CD as well

I know, I'm just saying if he doesn't kill you with that you can QSS the ult and likely the ignite that was probably stacked with it.

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