Shyvana's Lore and Gameplay Contradict Eachother

Frosted Tips·Dec 18, 2018·9 votes·7,786 views

Shyvana - the Half-Dragon

Shyvana is a half-dragon with the magic of a fiery rune shard burning within her heart. Though she often appears humanoid, she can transform into a fearsome dragon at will. Unsure if she is fundamentally human or beast, Shyvana fights to master her powers as she shifts between two forms.

So she can switch at will? Maybe Riot should implement this because she is definitely not in a good spot and hasn't been healthy in the game for a long time. It is just comical that her first paragraph in her Bio contradicts her.

18 Comments

HEALTH FOUNTAINDec 18, 20183 votes

okok i get it, so it should be like the spider girl ( Elise ) ultimate

HammermancerDec 18, 20184 votes

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okok i get it, so it should be like the spider girl () ultimate

or y'know

Nidalee Jayce

XxDRAGONsAK47xXDec 19, 20183 votes

she's not even a dragon in game.

She's a wyvern.

xxxDogmanxxxDec 19, 20182 votes

Well to be fair, she's not the only one whose lore contradicts her state in game.

Xin Zhao's lore states that because he previously fought against and killed 50 gladiators at once in the Fleshing, he was set to fight against six times that amount, 300 gladiators at once.

In-game, Xin Zhao can't even 1v3, let alone 1v50 or 1v300.

BisaknospDec 19, 20182 votes

release xin could

HammermancerDec 19, 20182 votes

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Well to be fair, she's not the only one whose lore contradicts her state in game.

Xin Zhao's lore states that because he previously fought against and killed 50 gladiators at once in the Fleshing, he was set to fight against six times that amount, 300 gladiators at once.

In-game, Xin Zhao can't even 1v3, let alone 1v50 or 1v300.

i mean

they weren't the same tier as the champs in league, they were just professional gladiators

even the weakest champs in league by lore would probably be able to do that

ZaneShadowDec 19, 20182 votes

After talking with you about AP bruisers, I've started playing a lot of Shyvana top. From what i hear, I'd say these would be a decent start at least.:

New Passive: Burnout: Whenever you use an ability, Shyvana surrounds herself in flames for 3 seconds and deals 10-70(+20% Bonus AD)(based on level) magic damage to surrounding enemies each second. Basic attacking an enemy while Burnout is active deals 25% of Burnout's damage to all enemies surrounding Shyvana. Additionally, Shyvana deals 10% bonus magic damage to dragons and to Vilemaw.

New W: Harden Scales: Shyvana become invulnerable and slowed by 40% for 0.75 seconds. Afterwards, she gains 15/20/25/30/35% bonus movement speed for 7 seconds. If she was hit by an attack or ability while invulnerable, she gain 5/10/15/20/25 bonus armor and magic resistance for 15 seconds. If Shyvana was hit by an immobilizing effect while invulnerable, she gain double the movement speed instead.

R: is no longer unstoppable, but can still activate W during the dive.

I think lore wise the best change would to be a simpler change if she can transform when she gets angry and gives into her draconic side. That would be a perfect match for gameplay and also a bit more interesting as she has to learn to practive temperance in a country where most hate her. Could be kinda fun to explore since her only friend there (and the world for that matter) is Jarvan and probably the only one she can express these frustrations with. Plus i ship those two so there is that hahahahaha.

As for her current state, This is the build i've been using: item 1043 item 3116 item 3047 item 3091 item 3151 item 3026 item 3071

Gives her a lot of utility in a team fight and i was very surprised at how bulky i could get with Grasp of the Undying and Overgrowth added on top. I'll also add that after i get 1 or 2 kills, its amazing the number of people who suicide into me. I have a hard time imagining they'd play that way into a 2/0 Illaoi, but they do anyways. Really, they need to practice a lot more careful trades, since i get a TON of free damage if they do it wrong. Like i played a xin Zhao that always traded with his nock up down. He should have been stacking it, dashing onto me, nock up, combo, retreat behind minions. Instead i beat him down for playing sloppy again and again. I'll say i dislike how easy that is for me, but thats why i created the changes i mentioned above, at least make a sigum of skill required.

Frosted TipsDec 19, 20181 votes

Do you think item 3071 is the best? She does more magic damage than physical usually. Do you think something else would fit there? Or do you like the armor shred for your team?

ZaneShadowDec 19, 20182 votes

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Do you think is the best? She does more magic damage than physical usually. Do you think something else would fit there? Or do you like the armor shred for your team?

So I am mainly using it for the team armor shred. However, with 20% cdr, it also lets me spam out Q faster (which as im shredding armor is a pretty good thing) and launch more fireballs. Plus with runes that can put me up to 40% CDR, which means Burnout (W) is always turned on. The 400 health is also a TON of bulk which is missing from a lot of the other items in the build.

Grasp and Overgrowth kinda let me worm my way through up to that point, but I found i needed a big HP ticket item. I came down between Black Cleaver, Steracks Gauge, or Deadman's and decided to go for the team utility option. I think Abysal mask works situationally and it doesn't feel too bad to go Morrello against a squishy team, but i always preffered the consistency i found in black cleaver. The utility of ripping of 24% of an enemy teams armor for your adc at that stage of the game is HUGE.

Frosted TipsDec 19, 20182 votes

Ok that makes sense.

mirAcIeDec 18, 20181 votes

So does Eve's but one cares that in game she seduces while being a demon and does the murdering while being a harlot.

HammermancerDec 18, 20181 votes

100% agree with having her transform at will

maybe she should be reworked to flesh that out though cause her dragon form is just a better version of her human form as it stands

Frosted TipsDec 18, 20181 votes

Yeah as a human she is pretty much useless. Mainly because the only way to get on top of someone is to ult.

HammermancerDec 18, 20181 votes

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Yeah as a human she is pretty much useless. Mainly because the only way to get on top of someone is to ult.

what if her human form was focused on the gap closer and her drag form had a retreat in it? like make her R roll into an enemy without like most of the damge, or bounce off of one (Like quinn E) then maybe have her fling fireballs instead of melee auto in human form... and something with her abilities in human form but i don't even know what a shyv main would want,

Frosted TipsDec 18, 20181 votes

I don't main Shyvana, but personally if this was to be done Dragon form would be the aggressive form, but her lore has her as an aggressive overall person so I think she should mainly be a go in champion.

HammermancerDec 18, 20181 votes

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I don't main Shyvana, but personally if this was to be done Dragon form would be the aggressive form, but her lore has her as an aggressive overall person so I think she should mainly be a go in champion.

I had sort of the nautilus thing in my head mixed with like the nidalee thing

you'd jump in and be committed after you do some pokey stuff

MimrDec 19, 20181 votes

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I don't main Shyvana, but personally if this was to be done Dragon form would be the aggressive form, but her lore has her as an aggressive overall person so I think she should mainly be a go in champion.

Then could you please stop whining about her? I do main Shyv and I'd prefer her not to be ruined by being turned into a third Nidalee/ Elise. In fact, I think she's perfectly fine as she is.

Frosted TipsDec 19, 20181 votes

Mimr I play many champions I don't really main anyone because it is boring to me to play the same champion over and over again, but I play her a substantial amount, and she is not perfectly fine the way she is. A good example is that she is like Xin Zhoa before his mini update, too one dimensional. I'm not saying make her exactly like Nid and Elise. I do think that the fantasy of playing a half dragon would be portrayed better if she did, but honestly it would be fine if they just gave her a way to stick onto a target and replaced her passive with something new.