Soraka needs to be toned down

magic pole·Oct 17, 2015·4 votes·574 views

her lane can be downright oppressive in the right hands. I get that hard engage can counter her, and she can be quite susceptible to ganks, but she honestly sucks the fun out of an already stressful lane. It's kinda like: don't bother trading, try to dodge her Q while keeping up CS while the enemy adc gets free farm.

honestly is in my mind the single most BORING lane experience out of any matchup possible. I consider afk'ing every time i am matched up against a soraka (I don't) just because of how mind numbingly boring and uninteractive her lane is.

the sad thing is she is so damn easy to kill and destroy in teamfights. It's like, outlast the nightmarish lane and then the rest of the game is cake.

i'd love to see her get some more post-lane power while tuning down her presence as a lane bully

12 Comments

Chuck CharlesOct 17, 20154 votes

as a former adc main and someone who plays a lot of soraka, soraka is usually an "auto win" in lane if the soraka stays back, sustains well with runes/masteries/pots, and just heals. the occasional Q can be thrown out but even thats not necessary. the best way to beat a soraka is through ganks, or hard cc when she comes up to Q.

if that isn't an option and the raka is sustaining well, Iv'e found as an ADC the best option is to simply sustian yourself and farm evenly and then go from there. rushing an early vamp scepter is usually enough to out sustain any "free harass' the adc will go in on you for. ( as they know they will heal up from raka after even if they lose trade).

all-in lanes are also amazing against soraka. annie/leona paired with a graves/lucian can blow her up pretty damn fast. hell even ezreal if he channels his ult right as a stun lands has a fair amount of burst.

she is also very risky outside of lane phase as you have to position right next to the person taking damage to heal them. the heal has an incredibly short range, and if you are SMART outside of lane phase, when she goes to heal who you are focusing, you simply change focus and explode her as she is VERY squishy.

raka is fine. she is safe laner, but has zero kill pressure on you as well as she deals next to damage unless she maxes Q which is dumb as every raka should max her W for maximum sustain. the only reason you play soraka. outside of lane she is vulnerable to being focused more than other supports and if she dies early in a fight she contributes nothing, unlike other supports who can at least use all their CC on someone before they die, even if its not the target they prefer.

NeranosOct 17, 20153 votes

Poke Soraka down. She probably can't outheal your damage early game with her Q alone, and if you get her hp low enough she won't be able to effectively heal her carry either. If she can't keep her lane hp up, they'll be easier to zone, and you might even be able to bully them out of lane for a while to get an XP advantage.

And one or two well timed ganks go a long way, but you knew that.

5000000000000000Oct 17, 20154 votes

Nope. I was in a Soraka/Vayne lane against a Caitlyn/Tahm lane, and they got no kills despite the fact that they poked the Vayne hard. Granted, I used all 4 of my potions, but the lane phase ended with no kills for the enemy.

Poking Soraka is often impossible because the ADC is the frontline in a Soraka lane.

NeranosOct 17, 20151 votes

If it was Cait and Tahm, Soraka must have been very far in the back to avoid Cait's range, or just very good at dodging skillshots. Also, and I'm saying this without much experience with Tahm, but was he not able to swallow up Vayne even once to open up the backline for Cait? At the very least, spitting her out farther away from Soraka should have opened an opportunity for an easy kill on Soraka if she wasn't hugging the tower, but in that case the wave is obviously pushed too far out.

Of course, credit where it's due, good job on that lane.

5000000000000000Oct 17, 20151 votes

They focused the Vayne when they got a good devour off. It could have been a double kill for them, but they made the mistake of not focusing Soraka.

magic poleOct 17, 20151 votes

well, actually i was able to poke a soraka down using VARUS. landed every Q and made her pretty useless, however, this was around level 6 and they had already won lane. Ended lane something like 0-4. granted I was camped.

fast forward to mid game. Kept poking soraka down, a total joke.

ended the game 18-6 with a big fat W all over sorakas face

Kat HeadOct 17, 20151 votes

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well, actually i was able to poke a soraka down using VARUS. landed every Q and made her pretty useless, however, this was around level 6 and they had already won lane. Ended lane something like 0-4. granted I was camped.

fast forward to mid game. Kept poking soraka down, a total joke.

ended the game 18-6 with a big fat W all over sorakas face

Thats called getting lucky, if you lose bot lane you will lose the game the vast majority of the time. Riot knows soraka is broken, I think they are waiting to see the impact of the adc rework before they address support issues (my opinion).

magic poleOct 17, 20151 votes

that;s not getting lucky.

That's called We are better than them, but they win lane because Soraka's lane is too strong.

were talking about going from 0-4, to getting 18 kills with only 2 deaths, WHILE they had won lane.

18-2 is not "lucky"

the game also really exemplified my point that soraka's lane is broken, yet her post-lane is garbage. which is why I was saying in my OP i would love to see her power shifted a bit from lane to post-lane

Kat HeadOct 17, 20151 votes

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that;s not getting lucky.

That's called We are better than them, but they win lane because Soraka's lane is too strong.

were talking about going from 0-4, to getting 18 kills with only 2 deaths, WHILE they had won lane.

18-2 is not "lucky"

the game also really exemplified my point that soraka's lane is broken, yet her post-lane is garbage. which is why I was saying in my OP i would love to see her power shifted a bit from lane to post-lane

I did not mean that to be a personal insult, im sure you are quite good.

If you are down 0 - 4 and are able to get back into a game, that is getting lucky. The enemy had to misplay over and over again to throw such a large early advantage. Not saying you did not play well to get back into the game, just saying you were lucky to be playing against people who allowed you back into the game. It should almost never happen that way.

magic poleOct 17, 20151 votes

we didn't "get back in the game"

we controlled the game entirely after the oppressive Soraka lane had ended.

i'm saying the only reason they ever won in the first place was because of Soraka. If they were so prone to misplaying, how did they crush lane so hard? Soraka.

The way i see it, we were always the better players, but were unlucky to play against the broken Lane of soraka.

And, I agree, that shouldn't happen very often. But it just shows how garbage Soraka is outside of lane. She's really imbalanced. Everyone here can down vote this all you want, and I expect nothing less because Soraka is actually quite easy to play given her power. However, you will see, she will be nerfed or have her power redistributed.

Kat HeadOct 17, 20151 votes

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we didn't "get back in the game"

we controlled the game entirely after the oppressive Soraka lane had ended.

i'm saying the only reason they ever won in the first place was because of Soraka. If they were so prone to misplaying, how did they crush lane so hard? Soraka.

The way i see it, we were always the better players, but were unlucky to play against the broken Lane of soraka.

And, I agree, that shouldn't happen very often. But it just shows how garbage Soraka is outside of lane. She's really imbalanced. Everyone here can down vote this all you want, and I expect nothing less because Soraka is actually quite easy to play given her power. However, you will see, she will be nerfed or have her power redistributed.

We are on the same side, kinda. Post lane phase is where we disagree, I believe raka to be much more broken late game than early. She is weakest in lane (and oppressive and broken as hell).

If a game gets to 30 mins vs Soraka you should lose 75% of the time unless you have a fed Rengar or Shaco that can get to her or you consistently catch out her team or her.

item 3116 item 3083 item 2049 item 3050 item 3158 item 3504 = 40% CDR - 275 AP - tons of utility and a broken passive.

The fact is she can sit outside of anyones range and heal non stop while never leaving full health due to the warmogs passive. The amount of healing she does in this scenario is the most broken thing in this game. You just can not team fight a late game soraka, there is no dive strong enough to get to a good soraka, consistently.

She has all the tools to succeed late game and your tools to deal with her are weaker. If you ever get to her she is dead, no doubt. Good rakas are nigh untouchable, there is a reason she is banned frequently in master / challenger play.