please don't gut ivern

Leo1024··2 votes·889 views

i know he just came out and he's new but i'd hate to see a champion gutted for doing what they're supposed to do, i feel like riot will nerf him heavily due to his insanely fast jungle clear and stealing enemy jungle camps even faster with smite. take taliyah for example, she was SUPPOSED to be a good waveclear champion and excel at roaming and because she did just that, they've taken that from her and nerfed her E as well. i understand she's a hard champ to play, upon release she had a 36% winrate (correct me if i'm wrong) and even though her skill curve IS a reason for her 43% winrate, she just doesn't feel good anymore, she doesn't feel as fun to play, i don't feel like i'm roaming as much as i could, i feel so much potential is wasted with her nerfs and i feel Ivern is at risk for the same treatment. ivern is supposed to excel at counter jungling but i wouldn't be surprised if he gets huge nerfs and his winrate massively drops, i don't even plan on playing ivern, maybe if he's free one week but i hate seeing great potential champs go down the drain like Taliyah, Azir, Kalista, and Kindred (kindred is debateable), what are your guys' thoughts?

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Leo10241 votes

idk why i put kindred in there, another example would be vladimir

GULAG 4 U1 votes

First off, try to make your post in paragraphs so it's easier to read it.

Second, Ivern just came out, and Riot prolly doesn't plan on doing anything to him right away, give rito some time.

3rd off, Azir is broken. Kalista too. Kindred is becoming okay again and Taliyah is getting buffs according to riot.

Leo10241 votes

taliyah is getting buffs yes but that's because she was gutted

azir is confirmed to get a rework in the future, meddler eluded to it i believe, he said they weren't at all happy with azirs current state so they would indeed give him a small or major rework

kindred is decent, not too great but decent

and kalista was at around a 50% winrate on patch 6.13 but her nerfs since have brought her down to a 43%, she doesn't output great damage by any means and even as a taliyah who. was 8/10 i was able to delete kalista whom bot lane fed and made 16/8, that just doesn't seem fair to me, and if you're gonna suggest that it's because kalista is op, it was a Zed Yasuo legendary combo that went 0/17 in the bot lane

and yeah i know ivern is new, i'm saying this might happen in the future, it only took 2 weeks before AurelionSol was nerfed...then again he was busted as hell on release

Penns1 votes

Fuck I always read Riven instead of Ivern lol I doubt hes gonna get nerfed anytime soon, havent played against him yet tho. If he is too strong, probably only in lcs and stuff like that I think.

Leo10241 votes

he's gonna be a huge problem in lcs, his bushes have so much utility, you can hide baron and smite it last second preventing the enemy jg from smiling since baron is in bush, rengar combo of course, and preventing map vision, gonna be interesting to see where he ends up

legionnaire991 votes

Only thong I don't want is to give the dairus and nasus dashes to you

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