What if Lich Bane had 20% CDR?

GuiltyGecko·6/16/2016, 4:08:08 AM·3 votes·981 views

I think it's a good idea to give Lich Bane 20% CDR. To be quick about why, here's a list of reasons:

> Yeah, there are a couple of missing holes in AP/CDR itemization we still need to fill, another AP+20% CDR item in particular.

  • Riot is looking to add another 20% CDR item. Lich Bane is a good candidate for the spot, because it will make the item synergize more with itself. You want sheen procs on Lich Bane, and CDR helps you get that.
  • The 20% CDR helps differentiate item 3100 from item 3285 . Bother give you a burst of AP damage, bother give a lot of AP, and both give movement speed. Lich Bane could be the CDR choice when deciding between the two.
  • Lich Bane is a mana item, which is in line with Riot's ideals of having mages function off of mana, and helps stack a tear build with more CDR.
  • item 3025 , the tank sheen item, and item 3078 the AD sheen item both have 20%. The AP version, item 3100 having CDR would bring it in line with the other items.

18 Comments

Aptest6/16/2016, 4:23:06 AM2 votes

High AP and CDR should not exist on same item. Lich bane already has CDR

Lich bane is indeed a good candidate for CDR however the stats should be: 30 AP 250 mana +7% MS 20% CDR.

Brimaz The King6/16/2016, 4:15:06 AM1 votes

It needs 90 AP instead of 80.

Linna Excel6/16/2016, 4:17:41 AM1 votes

IMO all the sheen items should probably have 20% CDR at this point.

Quepha6/16/2016, 4:58:48 AM1 votes

I think they want the other 20% cdr item to be something that is bought instead of Morellonomicon, not in tandem with it.

Lich Bane is very attractive on some assassins, and so is Morellonomicon for resets and kill securing, giving them a quick one-two punch to 40% cdr and tons of killing power would be a crazy power spike and pretty much remove any thought from their build paths.

Mages that DON'T build Morellonomicon either do it because they don't need mana (efficient early costs or manaless) or they prefer a different mana item (stacking Tear or RoA) so the other AP/CDR powerhouse should probably not benefit mana in any way.

I think Tear stackers represent the champions most in need of a big cdr option. I like playing Cassiopeia and she is all about lategame dps that would benefit a ton from capping her cdr, but after she builds her core items (Tear, Usually a Rylai's or RoA, Rabadeedlies, and Void Staff) there's very little room for enough cdr to cap out and maximize the number of Twin Fangs she can output even though she uniquely doesn't need to buy boots.

I think Rylai's would be a very good candidate as an AP/CDR option. It's manaless, completely different from Morellonomicon in the niche it provides (kiting instead of kill securing and resets), is a great item on many champions who don't usually fit Morello into their build (Vlad, Cass, Karthus, Kennen...) and could be altered to build out of a kindlegem because that more or less makes sense. It also synergizes with the passive by allowing champions to continuously reapply the slow, and makes the Rylandry's combo more viable by adding cdr to a combo that seems to be about adding decent damage to utility champs who would otherwise be spending two full item slots on no cdr which should be just about their most important stat.

The only issue I think is that its passive is very powerful and priced appropriately so it might be hard to make room in the item's gold budget for the cdr in addition to being a powerful health and AP item.

Irelia Bot6/16/2016, 5:16:41 AM1 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc

Giving Trinity and IBG 20% was a huge mistake.

LB getting 20% just no.

CoolKnightST6/16/2016, 5:21:45 AM1 votes

Fizz he just got nerfed, so you want to bring him back don't you.

Shonjl6/16/2016, 5:27:54 AM1 votes

Almost every AP item has CDR nowadays, they need to stop giving items it. The point of it was you had to make a sacrifice in damage to throw your spells faster, not build a normal AP build and get 45% anyways since everything has it now.

Hell no.

SirPurrr6/16/2016, 5:33:38 AM1 votes

What if it had 40%?

MotrColt6/16/2016, 4:09:54 AM1 votes

too much cdr as it is, no!

67chrome6/16/2016, 6:15:30 AM1 votes

I think it's a good idea to give Lich Bane 20% CDR.

Considering Lich Bane offers a ton of AP, Base Damage to a QWER burst, and some mana; boosting Lich Bane to 20% CDR seems like the same kind of overkill as adding 30% attack Speed to item 3031.