So when the f*ck is riot planning on fixing this entirely game breaking practice?
I mean just either have it spawn later cause the only people killing it that early are the broken champs, or for one just don't let Panth's passive block it's attacks.
Twice now lost a game for the ONE reason that whenever the enemy Panth would see me or our jungler in another lane he'd ult onto Drag and solo it. So freakin' dumb.....
BeatRushVII4 votesIts almost like you can keep it warded, and rotate to it. Yeah people can kill it at low level, but they are also really easy to kill while doing so
Vicarious1171 votesYou can try to defend it as much as you like, but there's a reason Riot has already put a fix on the pbe so soon after this "cheat" was discovered.
When something is entirely gamebreaking or requires the enemy team to dictate themselves around this one thing in order to not automatically lose, you get a quick response like this.
BeatRushVII1 votesim not defending it, im saying it isnt something that can be changed this second, so play around it
Vicarious1171 votesThat's my point.... exactly... we have to play around it and keep this one guy off dragon for the entire laning phase or we lose automatically. Being required to play around it is the problem lol
Meep Man2 votesBeing required to do something out of comfort to win is a problem?
Vicarious1171 votesBeing required to do something out of combat or you automatically lose because of that one thing no matter what else you do out of combat or in combat is very much a problem.
EndlessSorcerer1 votesWhen you play against Shaco or Evelynn you have to play around early ganks. When you play against Jayce or Nidalee you have to play around their poke. When you play against Blitzcrank, Thresh or Morgana you have to play around their Qs.
Counterplay is not something wrong in a game. It's how you play the game. There are a few champions who are good at taking early dragons, so when playing against them you ward up or check on the dragon occasionally.
Vicarious1171 votesWow, you're comparing champ mechanics to being able to solo dragon at lvl 2 and give your entire team a massive early game buff......
Ok, playing around early ganks doesn't require you do anything more then pay attention, you can stay where you are and not hurt yourself by doing so, you can even position your lane where an early gank cannot be pulled off. You can't move dragon to get this same effect.
Playing around poke is part of the game, and even when you don't dodge it you don't automatically lose the first time it hits, unlike when a 6 min dragon buff is given to the entire team.
Dodging skill shots is the same as dodging poke, you don't automatically lose immediately as the first one hits. Cannot tell you how many times I've won team fights just cause Blitz pulled the tank as well.
My point is that this early dragon killing doesn't just need counterplay, it requires you as the jungler to play completely differently just to avoid automatically losing. Riot apparently agrees with me and many others as well.
Learn 2 Swim1 votesYou can try to defend it as much as you like, but there's a reason Riot has already put a fix on the pbe so soon after this "cheat" was discovered.
When something is entirely gamebreaking or requires the enemy team to dictate themselves around this one thing in order to not automatically lose, you get a quick response like this.
Its because Riot caters to little cowards like you on a continual basis. Every ranked game Ive played with an enemy panth I have bought a ward and killed panth and stole dragon the majority of the time but this requires you not to be a whiny little btch and actually use tactics to win a game.
Vicarious1171 votesYou're lucky your opponent Panth was so bad then.
Seems kinda like you might need the handicap anyway...
Meep Man1 votesWell what is the Panth supposed to do? Flash over the wall? Because a good enemy jungler can wait till the Dragon is low and then come in and kill Pantheon/force a flash and then steal the Dragon. Problem solved.
Vicarious1171 votesYou haven't read anything that I've said.... have you?
USG Morta1 voteshey guess what?
on the pbe dragon's attacks have been recoded to be "spells" and not blocked by pantheon's passive.
so calm down bb it'll be over soon.
Vicarious1171 votesOh thank god, annoying when this one simple thing completely dictates an entire match >.<
Drunk Rummate1 votesthey already have nerfs slated for pantheon and fiora on PBE addressing this. cool your bananas.
Vicarious1171 votesYou're late to the party.