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Teemo: Only Extremely Mana Dependent Mage That Didn't Get Buffed in Patch 4.20

EnviousLeviathan··1 votes·793 views

This is literally the best short term fix. Give him the mana regen rate of the mages that got buffed in patch 4.20. That will allow him to synergize more with mana regen items. Allowing his utility based builds to feel smoother and allow a larger variety of Teemo builds. Currently, Teemo can only build extremely high damage builds because he synergizes extremely poorly with CDR.

The following mages / tank supports are being changed to have 6 base mana regeneration (mp5) and +0.8 mana regeneration (mp5) growth stat: Ahri, Alistar, Anivia, Annie, Azir, Blitzcrank, Braum, Cassiopeia, Diana, Elise, Fiddlesticks, Fizz, Galio, Gragas, Heimerdinger, Jayce, Karma, Karthus, Kassadin, Kayle, LeBlanc, Leona, Lulu, Lux, Malzahar, Morgana, Nidalee, Orianna, Ryze, Swain, Syndra, Taric, Thresh, Twisted Fate, Veigar, Vel'koz, Viktor, Xerath, Ziggs, Zilean, Zyra

I would literally be completely happy with Teemo if he was added to this list. Not only would I be happy with Teemo but he would be less toxic to play against in some circumstances since he would be able to be built full utility and low AP. People practically never buy morellonomicon on him anymore because mana regen items scale off base mana regen. His mana regen is 2nd lowest of mages and average for marksman. Despite the fact that he has a low cooldown high mana cost ultimate which is the majority of his kits importance.

After having 150% mana regen on frost queen claim, I realized how much I missed building Teemo in ways that took advantage of mana regeneration and high CDR. Once the mana regen was nerfed, I was left realizing that Teemo was essentially ignored in terms of mana regen buffs because he was in such a strong position damage-wise back in patch 4.20. It was only then that I realized how big of a problem it was.

17 Comments

SeargentAnus6 votes

Teemo Mage Pick one

Opportunistic4 votes

DUDE, IT'S TEEMO, WHO FKN CARES!!! DELETE THAT CHAMP FOR ALL I CARE.

Raka Flaka MD3 votes

Who cares its teemo.

Shonjl3 votes

Its because he isnt reliant on mana really. Him and Azir are the only 2 that are AP auto attackers but unlike Azir that has to use his spells to get a kill, Teemo doesn't. He just Q you for some burst damage and poisons you to death.

Probably a good thing since last thing people want is Teemo to be really viable.

EnviousLeviathan1 votes

Have you looked at the mana cost on his low cooldown noxious trap?

SaltyKracka3 votes

Teemo isn't mana dependent on the first place.

EnviousLeviathan1 votes

Have you looked at the mana cost on his low cooldown noxious trap?

SaltyKracka3 votes

Have you ever looked at the mana costs on the rest of his kit?

His ult is far more gated by the charge time than it is by his mana.

EnviousLeviathan1 votes

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Have you ever looked at the mana costs on the rest of his kit?

His ult is far more gated by the charge time than it is by his mana.

Actually I have. I've calculated his mana costs compared to Heimerdinger and Morgana.

Examples of 5 minutes of gameplay if both Morgana and Teemo are using all of their abilities with no extra CDR or Mana Regen. 4,125 mana for blinding dart, 706 mana for move quick, 1,705 mana for noxious trap = 6,536 possible mana expenditure in 5 minutes with 870 mana regen in 5 minutes with mana pool of 947. Vs 1,909 mana for dark binding, 3,900 mana for tormented soil, 1,100 mana for black shield, 300 mana for soul shackles = 7,209 possible mana expenditure in 5 minutes with 1,326 mana regen in 5 minutes with mana pool of 1361.

tl;dr Teemo with 3 abilities has nearly the mana costs of a 4 abilities spam champion who not only has higher mana regen but has significantly higher mana pool and synergizes better with mana regen items. Teemo struggles to buy Nashors because the mana regen items that also synergize with Teemo have CDR as well which will put his mana regen well below what it needs to be to sustain him for any length of time. Buffing Teemo's mana regen/mana pool/ standardizing his ult at 50/75/100 mana would not make him in anyway more oppressive but would make more items synergize with him, offering more flexible builds, and make him feel less tedious.

Heimerdinger: 19.6 mana regen per 5 vs Teemo's 14.9 mana regen per 5 987 mana pool 300 mana for evolution turret 3,000 mana for rockets 2,550 mana for grenades 500 mana for ult = 5,850 possible mana expenditure in 5 minutes

Edit: lol you got rekt and decided to just downvote instead of respond.

SaltyKracka5 votes

  1. Everybody knows Heimers don't actually use much mana.

  2. That is an absolutely retarded benchmark. Nobody plays like that. Nobody.

  3. You're ignoring the fact that Teemo doesn't have to cast spells much in lane due to his having E, as opposed to mages that do have to cast spells to do anything.

EnviousLeviathan1 votes

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  1. Everybody knows Heimers don't actually use much mana.

  2. That is an absolutely retarded benchmark. Nobody plays like that. Nobody.

  3. You're ignoring the fact that Teemo doesn't have to cast spells much in lane due to his having E, as opposed to mages that do have to cast spells to do anything.

You're ignoring a lot of facts as well.

  1. Teemo is not supposed to have 3 shrooms on him, ever. This means high mana costs. Especially if you buy any CDR.

  2. Your Heimerdinger point is so idiotic its hilarious. You realize Heimerdinger even if he absolutely spammed his abilities, wouldn't come close to reaching Teemo's mana expenditure despite having higher mana regen? Also aside from his turrets, he DOESN'T use his abilities a lot whereas Teemo is always poking with blinding dart and placing shrooms. You actually made my point further by stating heimers don't use that much mana. Why does he have such a ridiculously high mana regen rate if he couldn't possibly use as much mana as a Teemo? Thanks for making my point lol.

  3. Who cares about laning? I'm looking at lvl 18 stats. Teemo only goes oom after lvl 6 and then again at 2nd rank of shrooms. Teemo needs to place shrooms, his wards, to hinder gank attempts. Thats when mana costs become exorbitant.

You really didn't make any good points here lol.

SaltyKracka2 votes

  1. And Teemo is supposed to be able to go back to base. So what?

  2. Do you actually play Teemo while constantly spamming shrooms and Q off cooldown? Because that's precisely the thing mana costs are there to gate.

  3. Laning is far, far more important than raw level 18 stats, you dipshit. If you play Teemo and can't acknowledge that, you're not worth spending time on.

EndlessSorcerer2 votes

If you are constantly using your abilities off-cooldown, you have bigger issues.

Two Doran's Rings are typically enough to cover your mana costs if you can last-hit adequately.

Teemo is primarily an autoattacker due to Toxic Shot (and Nashor's Tooth); his abilities are primarily used for utility.

EnviousLeviathan1 votes

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If you are constantly using your abilities off-cooldown, you have bigger issues.

Two Doran's Rings are typically enough to cover your mana costs if you can last-hit adequately.

Teemo is primarily an autoattacker due to Toxic Shot (and Nashor's Tooth); his abilities are primarily used for utility.

I'm saying Teemo can't use high cdr and lower AP builds because of mana costs. He wouldn't have 2 dorans rings late game....I'm looking at lvl 18 stats. You are making points completely unrelated to anything I'm saying yet somehow people are upvoting you lol.

Almighty Teemo2 votes

2 reasons why he is getting downvoted:

he is complaining about teemo not receiving a buff. Here stupid teemo hating bandwagoners do it as they find it too hard to think for themselves. The teemo hate is an old, overrrated, unfunny joke which you people believe is a real thing. Sure, there are haters; there will always be. But the latter generally do it for a reason.

Secondly he is downvoted because you think he is wrong; he's not. Riot's recent changes have forced mushrooms to be used in teamfights and not for map control. If you see mushrooms around the map then just buy a goddamn sweeper, it completely counters mushrooms. Besides, placing mushrooms around with a 5-minute duration is pointless now. So mushrooms can only be tossed in teamfights. This requires a lot of mana because one mushroom often gets shut down before it arms. So having a mushroom explode in the enemy's face is hard and rarely ever happens.

On a side note teemo can be played in 2 ways: as a mage(yes, a mage) with lich bane and as a marksman with bork or nashor's tooth. Riot included him in neither the marksman update nor in the mage one, because people used the contradictory argument that teemo is a mage during the marksman update, now they say he's not a mage in the mage update.

Btw i am a teemo main with over 1200 games with him, you may use the excuse that i am defending him, or being biased, to downvote me to oblivion. Or you may downvote me just because I main teemo, it works just fine with this dumb community.

EnviousLeviathan1 votes

{quoted}

2 reasons why he is getting downvoted:

he is complaining about teemo not receiving a buff. Here stupid teemo hating bandwagoners do it as they find it too hard to think for themselves. The teemo hate is an old, overrrated, unfunny joke which you people believe is a real thing. Sure, there are haters; there will always be. But the latter generally do it for a reason.

Secondly he is downvoted because you think he is wrong; he's not. Riot's recent changes have forced mushrooms to be used in teamfights and not for map control. If you see mushrooms around the map then just buy a goddamn sweeper, it completely counters mushrooms. Besides, placing mushrooms around with a 5-minute duration is pointless now. So mushrooms can only be tossed in teamfights. This requires a lot of mana because one mushroom often gets shut down before it arms. So having a mushroom explode in the enemy's face is hard and rarely ever happens.

On a side note teemo can be played in 2 ways: as a mage(yes, a mage) with lich bane and as a marksman with bork or nashor's tooth. Riot included him in neither the marksman update nor in the mage one, because people used the contradictory argument that teemo is a mage during the marksman update, now they say he's not a mage in the mage update.

Btw i am a teemo main with over 1200 games with him, you may use the excuse that i am defending him, or being biased, to downvote me to oblivion. Or you may downvote me just because I main teemo, it works just fine with this dumb community.

Pretty much. I've been a Teemo main since season 2 and the mana regen changes were a stealth nerf which was only realized after 2 things occured. One his damage was nerfed and two a mana regen item he could use (fqc) had its mana regen nerfed. The problem became apparent after those 2 things.

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