If you're gonna complain about a champion

homerthefatso·Jun 13, 2016·6 votes·818 views

At least provide some reasonable arguments. Played a game as zed today where we were losing by a landslide but I was moderately fed. The vayne on their team was pretty fed. I had duskblade and youmuus. I catch her out, ult her land shuriken, e, and an auto and ignite. She then starts complaining in all chat "WTF how did that kill me so op."

Like yeah I get it Zed is annoying to play against but he's not op. His subpar winrate also shows that. I landed my full combo on you including ignite and duskblade as an ASSASSIN on the vayne, a squishy adc. Any assassin who is not super underfed who cannot kill a carry with a full combo rotation and ignite and duskblade is in VERY bad shape. Meanwhile Irelia is out here building tanky and bursting carries like Zed and more people are still complaining about Zed lol

9 Comments

IWillDeliverJun 13, 20164 votes

To be fair any adc regardless of whether Zed is fed or not will complain about Zed. Mostly because ZED LITTERLY DESTROYS ADC's, ALL OF THEM ARE SQUISHY, Since the removable Zed's Ult on QSS it's almost impossible for any ADC to really win against him. The combination of Zed is super easy to use, so I understand why people complain especially ADC's. Mages of Jg/Mid have Hourglass, Jg/Top/some supports are too tanky to be one shotted by a full combo, and you wouldn't normally ult a Support anyways. ADC's have no defense against someone like Zed. I've had games where a Zed was 0/4 and I'm 10/0 but after a couple of items later he can one shot me with a full combo. It's legit broken. But of course Irelia is broken as well. One item, then the rest is tanky, of course people will complain about it eventually, but it's just that nobody really plays Irelia and a lot of people play Zed because they think they're faker.

homerthefatsoJun 13, 20161 votes

Well that is Zed's job. Unlike an adc, he's not supposed to be the one doing all the damage. He's supposed to assassinate the adc then get out. Sure a 0-4 Zed who has decent farm can assassinate an adc 1v1. Not only is Zed made for doing that, but he managed to catch the adc out at a good time. Unless it is later, no way can a 0-4 Zed with one item or maybe even 2 assassinate an adc that is not alone unless the adc is with like a brand who cant land any of his skills. Zed should get rewarded for catching the adc out especially if he burns his ignite and duskblade. A 0-4 talon can also 100-0 an adc with ignite and duskblade.

IWillDeliverJun 13, 20163 votes

That is true. I agree 100%. Zed's only job is to kill the carry. But lets say in a team fight. Where all the ADC is in the back line. Everyone in front of the ADC is supposed to peel for him. Let's say they don't do their jobs. And then the ADC is punished for a team game. And no matter how much the ADC peels, she can't stop the zed from one shooting her. Everyone on the team has some sort of defense to protect themselves from Zed. But what about the ADC????? The only defense that the ADC has is their team. And you know damn well if you're not in a dynamic que you can't expect your team mates to help you. There is basically no counter for an ADC against a Zed in general. You can say you can build a GA bUT the problem with GA is that it can only be used within 4mins or so. So it's a useless item against zed where his ult is a almost 60second cooldown. And not to mention most ADCs want to build full damage otherwise they don't really do that much damage.

And that's true a Talon can one shot as well. But there is a counter to him and that's a pink ward. You can stop a talon before he even tries to do anything. Now you're not wrong. An assassin's job is to 100-0 a carry. But how can a carry fight back if he gets one shot by zed? Look at the other assassin's. Mage assassin's are stopped by Hextexh, or QSS, the AD Pink wards, Stereks gage, and QSS. Only champion you can't realy stop is Zed. Not much of a defensive option for an ADC anymore.

homerthefatsoJun 13, 20161 votes

In my opinion a carry unless the assassin is super underfarmed or just gets outplayed hard should NOT be able to fight back. An ad carry's job is to do sustained dmg to a whole team. It is the job of the team to protect the carry and the job of the carry to stay with the team. Now if an ad carry does get caught ALONE by a moderately fed assassin whose job is to kill the carry, the carry deserves to die unless the carry outplays the assassin hard. In this case, vayne mistimes her flash, doesn't even ult and e's me after I unload my combo including an AA. She deserved to die simple as that.

IWillDeliverJun 14, 20162 votes

I just feel like if they add a new defensive item or revert QSS back. Then I think Zed will no longer be a champion people will complain about. Cause even back then a Zed could still out play a champion with QSS. I think it was a bad choice by riot to get ride part of QSS.

And even if a Vayne managed to ult, and use his E, and tumble away the range for Zed's ult is super long and once you hit vayne or any champion with that ultimately it legit takes like 3/4 th of their health away. Now you added in ignite, Dusk blade passive, a full QW combo and there it is one shot before he could really do anything.

But you are right that adc is salty as hell. It's just I understand her pain.

IcyPepperJun 13, 20161 votes

I agree that Zed isn't OP, but he is frustrating for the majority of the playerbase currently which is reflected in his ban rate across all elos.

But yeah, an ADC complaining about an assassin killing them after itemizing an assassin build and blowing their entire kit is a tad ridiculous. Even more so if it's a Vayne, whose only real weakness (imo) is sheer burst.

ArakadiaJun 13, 20161 votes

Zed isn't OP, your right, but he's so frustrating because he is so safe. That Vayne was salty and ur right.

ZT XperimentorJun 13, 20161 votes

Win rates don't show everything. Nor do pick & ban rates; but take all three together and you get a shadow of an idea of what's going on.

MissMikasaJun 13, 20161 votes

Well one reason why she is complaining is that he has little to no counterplay. Plus she's a squishy so of course assassins kill them quick.

Note: Do not build duskblade on Zed. It's not meant for him, it's meant for underperforming assassins like Kha. Go read the patch notes, they say it there when the new item came out. People who build it on him just makes him more OP than he should be, and just adds to all the complaining about him.

Note 2: Irelia is a fighter/tank. She's not an assassin, so that's why she builds tanky. She's killing people faster now because of her Q buffs along with the Trinity Force changes a few patches later. Just wait, she will be hit with some changes sooner than later, and she will go back to being in the middle of the pack.

Meanwhile Zed is still OP and has such a high ban rate even after his "nerfs," and will still probably be the same way until the assassin update.