If you aren't serious about a mode, don't ruin it for those that are. That means all modes. Not just "the competitive" mode (which stinks). You are on a team, don't start unless you plan to play it as seriously as ranked.
MisterSki2 votesI know what you mean man. I am sick of the "It's only normals" "It's only ARAM" ect comments that most people say when they are feeding like an African relief camp. Normals, ARAM, and Twisted Treeline players should be offered the same competitive effort that ranked players are but because there is no ELO on the line people just don't care and therefor don't really try. It sucks and I agree with you but that isn't going to change the trolls that queue up.
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Plasma Servant1 votesThen don't play it, or do you want someone that considers that mode the most important to come into ranked and do the same? Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
play coop vs ai if you just want to mess around.
FreeVolibear1 votesNormals were intended for more relaxed and less competitive games. I use them to have fun/test champs/builds etc... I'm going to do my best of course, but fat chance getting me to treat it seriously like ranked. In other words, I deny your request and laugh at you for making it. ;)
The Last Ballad2 votesOr, rather, don't play a mode if you don't intend to win.
This is a game, it is meant to be fun. If you are not having fun, why are you playing?
Silly Neeko1 votesSo........ What are you trying to say here?
I know the dont troll and int feed etc but I get the feeling you are implying at something else.
Plasma Servant1 votesWhat I'm saying is that all modes have people that want to play that mode only. For some, blind pick, for others, ARAM, others still ranked.
Don't start playing in their sandbox as if you were a cat looking for a litter box. You don't want them to do it to you, you don't do it to them.
Silly Neeko1 votes[{quoted}](name=Plasma Servant,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JzRsvEd3,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-04-29T13:44:30.125+0000)
What I'm saying is that all modes have people that want to play that mode only. For some, blind pick, for others, ARAM, others still ranked.
Don't start playing in their sandbox as if you were a cat looking for a litter box. You don't want them to do it to you, you don't do it to them.
So....... Again, dont troll, dont int feed etc......... But are you saying people can not try off meta picks in the game mode "because its normal"? Or off meta builds "because its aram"? That is.... With them actually trying to win with those off meta stuff.
From what i gather from this post, you would not allow me to try out Nidalee support "because its normals" or Bard mid... and yet bots do not give any meaningful input of if a champion can atleast do decent in a role. You would view it as offencive and then be all upset even though me personally, i have done both Bard mid and Nidalee support and done well. This can be said about quite a few other "non meta picks".
Stop using vague expressions to say what you actually mean. What do you want people to stop doing for the reasons of "its only normals" or "its only aram" etc?
If you want people to not "suck so bad at the game in my prefered game mode" then if you were not a straight A student then they could say "get out of school if you cant be a straight A student" even to a first grader.
What i mean by that is there is a variety of players in league. Some are not able to play as well as others. It happens. They say "its only normals, chill out" if someone is going "YOU SUCK YOU STUPID NOOB! YOU ARE WOOD V I DONT EVEN KNOW HOW I GOT INTO A GAME WITH YOUR SORRY BUTT!" but likely with much more profanity and questionable commentary. They know they do not play as well as others and if you are telling them to uninstall because they are trying to practice playing the game in normals, it makes them feel like actually quitting. Did you have someone rage at you when you were new or bad at the game? Probably. Did you appriciate it? No.
I have met so many people in bot games that have barely played any normals for the simple reason of they do not want to get raged and flamed and reported.... Because they know they do not play as well as others. That is complete and utter bs. I then proceed to bring them into normals to play and they didnt do well at the start..... But over time they got better. One friend of mine that was like that, is even going for gold now i think.
So please. As i said. Apart from "dont troll and dont int feed"..... What is it that you are getting at?
RenownedWheat421 votesI play the game for fun. Fun doesn't mean int or troll or anything, sure, but it also doesn't mean "take this shit super seriously at all times like your rank depends on it."
Fuck that.
If you're mad I'm experimenting in an ARAM, go back to Ranked. If you're mad I'm trying new champs in Blind, get out of Blind.
Plasma Servant2 votesSo you don't care if I do the same to your ranked play as you do to my ARAM? I think ranked is the joke mode. I take ARAM seriousl.
If you're mad I'm trying new champs in Blind, get out of Blind.
So turn it around ... if you don't like that I'm trying out a new champ in ranked, get out of ranked.
Blood Bank Lord1 votes[{quoted}](name=Plasma Servant,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JzRsvEd3,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-04-29T13:41:59.407+0000)
So you don't care if I do the same to your ranked play as you do to my ARAM? I think ranked is the joke mode. I take ARAM seriousl.
So turn it around ... if you don't like that I'm trying out a new champ in ranked, get out of ranked.
I'm sorry, but it's a blind or draft what's wrong with trying out new champions in that? In co-op mode, the bots don't know how to gank and so on, so it's unrealistic. Ranked should be for people who want to play serious and played a champ for a long time. Blind and draft is for people who want a CHILLED and RELAXING match, go play ranked if you want a competitive match.
Zexvain1 votesSo you're telling me that I'm forced to play at my fullest potential on fun mini-games such as URF, even when there's a ranked implement system? That's fucking idiotic, hate to break it to you.
Plasma Servant1 votesI'm telling you that I consider ranked a joke. If you come into my game mode and play there at less than your full potential, do you want to have people like me doing the same in ranked?
Scary Door1 votes[{quoted}](name=Plasma Servant,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JzRsvEd3,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-04-27T04:31:32.354+0000)
If you aren't serious about a mode, don't ruin it for those that are. That means all modes. Not just "the competitive" mode (which stinks). You are on a team, don't start unless you plan to play it as seriously as ranked.
I agree with this completely.
You should always make every effort to win the game, regardless of mode. Saying "it's only normals" or "it's ARAM who cares if I feed" is ruining it for someone else that wants to win.
Not everyone plays ranked, but everyone deserves to have a competitive game where people are actually trying to win. I don't see why that's a bad thing.
League is the only community I've ever seen where "trying hard" is said to someone as an insult. It really says a lot about the people that think in such a way, though.
Silly Neeko1 votes[{quoted}](name=Scary Door,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JzRsvEd3,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-04-29T13:53:24.457+0000)
I agree with this completely.
You should always make every effort to win the game, regardless of mode. Saying "it's only normals" or "it's ARAM who cares if I feed" is ruining it for someone else that wants to win.
Not everyone plays ranked, but everyone deserves to have a competitive game where people are actually trying to win. I don't see why that's a bad thing.
League is the only community I've ever seen where "trying hard" is said to someone as an insult. It really says a lot about the people that think in such a way, though.
Problem is, how do you know if its their fullest effort? Are you them? What if they are having a bad day and cant play as well? How do you know they are not just new? Your going to search up everyone and even if they are on a lower lvled account or new 30 your going to assume they are a challenger smurf?
I have heard people literally say "this person is on a losing streak, lets tilt them" after searching up the enemy team. Are you telling me that is not a reason to say they are negatively trying to be a "try hard"? They are often trying so hard to win they will then also say negative comments to further try and put the enemy down to ensure they do not get into the game mentally in the first place.
Yes, try to win. No do not assume that means you should win every lane and be dominating 101-0 by minute 20. I play champions i do not normally play in normals. My goal is not to win the game, it is to have personal improvement on that champion. If this results in a win, then i have improved enough to win with that champion.
Scary Door1 votesI do look up my opponents during the load screen. I look at their runes/masteries and how they perform with the champion they have selected. I look at their recent matches and see what they build/average CS, etc. I have a pretty good memory and will generally recall the people I've played against in the past and their playstyle (whether they are aggressive/passive/opportunistic, if they like to roam, power farm, etc).
I don't expect everyone to win, I expect people to TRY to win the game to the best of their ability.
As to your question as to how I know if they are trying to win or not---several things make it obvious to me... most importantly is if they ever use the phrase "it's only normals" or "it's only ranked/a game" or "I don't care" and so on. That's the most obvious, of course if someone takes two minutes to get back to lane that's another pretty obvious indicator.
A bad game doesn't mean you're not trying, it just means you have a bad game... making mistakes also falls into the same criteria, we all make them, but it's how you respond to them and what you do thereafter that says a lot about you.
When I want to learn a champion, I use the practice tool, why else would it be there but for practice. I would hope someone that come into one of my games at least knows the BASICS before they start playing. That's really all I ever ask.
When I get into a ranked game and a guy says "yeah, I haven't ever played [champion name] before, lol" and then you look them up and they're serious... that is just infuriating.
Silly Neeko1 votesAre you toxic? Do you then go out of the way to try to tilt someone on a losing streak even more? Do you see someone in a ranked game in a series and are like "lets camp and gank the hell out of them just because they are in series"?
I have played over 4000 normal games, losing almost half ill admit.... Some my fault some other peoples fault, sometimes the enemy team just playing better. I see absolutely no reason to go out of my way to specifically target and tilt a person just because they are on a losing streak or in a series etc.
Thus, i do say "its only normals" because i get tired of people getting so toxic in normals that new players or players that DO have the basics down but just have not done enough pvp yet.... Are worried about getting raged at, flamed, told to uninstall (sometimes this is the nicer thing they say)..... And so they play bots. Just bots. They are actually afraid of getting banned because people are saying "report them for int feeding and trolling" often by people who do not look up their own allies.....
Are you saying that this is acceptable? Are you saying that I can not say "its only normals" even with it being my main mode without someone like you flaming and raging at me? Especially when i bring a friend i made in bots to normals and they are not doing so well, so i say "its only normals" to try and comfort them a bit so they do not up and quit league?
I say "its only normals" because i play normals for personal improvement rather than winning. This is also my main mode.
Practice tool does not give what people actually need...... Bots are decent enough to get the basics with MABEY..... But just because i KNOW the basics of Riven, just because i KNOW the basics of Fiora, just because i KNOW the basics of pretty much every champion in league by now..... Does not mean i KNOW how to utilize them effectively enough unless i do so in normals.
Scary Door1 votesAre you toxic? Do you then go out of the way to try to tilt someone on a losing streak even more? Do you see someone in a ranked game in a series and are like "lets camp and gank the hell out of them just because they are in series"?
I am not "toxic" as in I don't talk trash to my opponent (unless they start talking trash then I will engage in GENERALLY good natured banter) but usually I just focus.
I absolutely WILL be sure to put extra pressure on someone that I know is a weaker player than the others, that's just sound strategy and one that has been done to me before, that's how we learn after all.
Are you saying that this is acceptable? Are you saying that I can not say "its only normals" even with it being my main mode without someone like you flaming and raging at me? Especially when i bring a friend i made in bots to normals and they are not doing so well, so i say "its only normals" to try and comfort them a bit so they do not up and quit league?
I'm saying the guy that generally says "it's only normals" is the guy that feeds like crazy, is likely trolling and then when their teammates get on them they say "hey man, it's only normals, chill out". Just because you don't look up your opponents doesn't mean you're not trying to win, it just means that you may not go to the same extent I do... but that doesn't mean you're not trying. But many people---to their credit I must say---will even outwardly admit when they're mailing in.
Silly Neeko1 votes[{quoted}](name=Scary Door,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=JzRsvEd3,comment-id=00060000000000000000,timestamp=2017-04-29T18:15:56.404+0000)
I am not "toxic" as in I don't talk trash to my opponent (unless they start talking trash then I will engage in GENERALLY good natured banter) but usually I just focus.
I absolutely WILL be sure to put extra pressure on someone that I know is a weaker player than the others, that's just sound strategy and one that has been done to me before, that's how we learn after all.
Banter is different, that is not trying to be openly toxic to tilt someone so they play worse.
Extra pressure is not literally going out of your way, including turret diving even though you know your going to die, to kill that person. Weaker player, sure. But going out of your way just to tilt them is not ok.
I'm saying the guy that generally says "it's only normals" is the guy that feeds like crazy, is likely trolling and then when their teammates get on them they say "hey man, it's only normals, chill out". Just because you don't look up your opponents doesn't mean you're not trying to win, it just means that you may not go to the same extent I do... but that doesn't mean you're not trying. But many people---to their credit I must say---will even outwardly admit when they're mailing in.
"generally" now you changed your tone from always to generally. Yes it is often used as an excuse for them to TROLL and INTENTIONALLY FEED.... Which i had previously mentioned is not ok.... But obviously you have not taken any kind of psychology class at all if you think everyone must be trying to play at their fullest potential (even if its lower than what you want them to be) all the time.
Periods of high "stress" (not in the normal term, seeing as everything adds stress and the only way to have 0 stress is be dead) for extended periods of time will make you crash harder later...... Ranked is higher stress because LP is on the line. This makes it so anything like trolling and feeding and doing bad, will have greater stress than if done in normals. Normals have lower stress and thus, you are not going to be playing at full potential. You are recooperating from the higher stress of ranked. You still want a similar feel and similar experience, just less stressful..... That is why people are "phoning it in". That or they just are not mentally in the game at the time due to real life issues, or whatever else.
It is not acceptable to require everyone to play at 100% all the time. You do not im sure. At periods of time after you are constantly playing at the top of your game and mind is working furiously...... Do you ever notice how people tend to just "crash" and stop playing as well? Things they were able to do perfectly before now seem a bit more sluggish....... This is due to the stress being at an elevated level, and then dropping below normal level.
I will repeat again, this does not mean normals is an excuse to troll and intentionally feed..... But lay off those that do not want to put in their full effort.... Its just too 
ing to do that all the time.
Kal Vas Flam1 votesI like to try new champs on the alternative modes because you level and itemize faster and have to learn in a very fast paced environment. Not gonna stop doing that just you take the game too seriously.