For people struggling with Fiddlesticks atm

MorgManBasher··26 votes·8,799 views

Try eletrocute. Aery and comet won't let you 100 to 0 someone like you need to on fiddlesticks. He's always been a strong user of thunderlords and well, electrocute's damage is much higher than thunderlords, just a longer cooldown. Your fear also counts as a spell when procing electrocute even though it's a non-damaging spell allowing you to use it easily.

I prefer fiddle as a laner....top, mid and support but his jungle can still work. Core items for me are generally: item 3151 item 3157 item 3020 If I am top lane and know the guy I am laning against is going to rush straight MR, get a item 3135 first item. First back goals generally are item 3108 item 1001....early sorc boots are great too since everyone generally has low MR. If there is a skillshot you need to avoid like Blitzcrank Morgana etc, go item 3102 If you are playing against champs with no gap closers that you want to slow for your team so they get kited like Nasus Udyr Garen be sure to pick up a item 3116 which of course works well with your item 3151 If you feel slows won't help and you already have your core item 3151 item 3020 item 3157 and they aren't stacking MR, think about a item 3285 or item 3089

Max e first unless you find yourself being chased down and fighting a lot, then max drain first but always start e. Normally max e, then q, then drain with maybe 2 early points into drain if I feel I need it. Be sure to brush cheese and make the enemy laner terrifed to walk into lane...if he's not questioning his life choices when walking forward when you aren't even there, you aren't doing it right.

Runes I use: Domination - Electrocute, cheap shot, eyeball collection ( can use zombie ward though), Relentless Hunter (can use Ingenius hunter) Sorcery - Manaflow band, Scorch...standard stuff.

Trust me, the character is a lot better than his winrate. He may not be OP, but he's not nearly as bad as people think he is. I just feel they are using the wrong mastery when going aery and comet.

22 Comments

Ender L15 votes

Cool post! I'd also recommend checking out Unsealed Spellbook. The summoner spell CDR for Flash gives you more frequent access to the backline and engage potential. It also makes your laning phase significantly safer if you have your Flash up more frequently to avoid getting ganked (you can reach a THREE MINUTE cooldown on Flash with Spellbook/Cosmic Insight/Lucidity Boots!!). Switching from Smite (if jungle) to Ghost in the later game too makes you very difficult to peel away!

XxxLumberJackxxX4 votes

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Cool post! I'd also recommend checking out Unsealed Spellbook. The summoner spell CDR for Flash gives you more frequent access to the backline and engage potential. It also makes your laning phase significantly safer if you have your Flash up more frequently to avoid getting ganked (you can reach a THREE MINUTE cooldown on Flash with Spellbook/Cosmic Insight/Lucidity Boots!!). Switching from Smite (if jungle) to Ghost in the later game too makes you very difficult to peel away!

Oh good please swap out smite when baron needs to be controlled

GrReaper9610 votes

By the time baron is needed just swap back

GrReaper964 votes

Dont forget Perfect Timing for that extra Zhonyas CDR! With cosmic insight thats a 20% CDR on Zhonyas! Plus you also save 300g can can use the stopwatch, so you can delay Zhonyas abit if needed

Ender L2 votes

Yeah, there's a bunch of choices in the Inspiration tree that Fiddle loves!

Jmman1 votes

I have wanted to try and get smite first as support fiddle and challenge the Blue buff on the other sides / steal if they aren't starting. Then go back to ignite/ex. Smite would also give good dragon control. But this seems better if you can have multiple people on voice chat. hmmm Nunu might become good again.

hmm how quick can you do a double smite dragon with fiddle drain tanking......

edit why does your name remind me of ginger ale lol

Jmman5 votes

From a fiddle main since season one i'll give my 2 cents

Is fiddle OP or UP yes a no.

The problem with fiddle is there is a lot of micromanaging his resources and enemies around him.

To do max damage you have to line up an extra enemy to bounce the crows off of for the drain. YOu have to bait any CC he has or time the drain to get CC but leaving you with the hp to live until you can Drain Crows them. Now doing this Fear will most likely be used offensively. That means knowing who is Mia and who has TP up. With fiddles weak hp and slow run speed if you commit you have to commit. Anything that is half-way ends in death.

When it comes to Items you have to juggle mana, hp/resist, AP and Pen. You need a different build depending on what the make-up and match up is. This leads to one of the issues. There isn't a lot of great runes or items items for him. (besides item 3116 item 3157 ) These items are "needed" to deal max damage. item 3116 to get more drain ticks in and to escape by using crows to slow. item 3157 to get max damage on ult before you are zerged.

interesting thing is I have been buying item 3157 less and less. Because besides getting 2 secs of your ult off its a wasted item. The armor doesn't really make any difference with AD. Due to CD on spells living 4 secs instead of 5 doesn't really save me. I go more item 3027 for AD and item 3001 for AP. People say getting item 3136 and item 3020 are good but that is only 33 MR pen. If they have more than 82 MR then item 3135 would have been better. Often times I find I get item 3020 item 3136 then they turn around and counter all that gold spend with item 1033 for 450 gold. That only leaves me with 7 MR pen. Which is not a lot.

Now for the poke it sucks if they get sustain. Because it becomes worthless. But if they don't its op and you can push them out of the lane. Problem comes in because his Crows also push him to the tower. This means he is really really far up and so easy to gank. He run like a fat kid toward sports. Its a stuggle and looks ever awkward.

Fiddle issues are he takes a lot of micro managing for his easy kit. You have to predict the enemies game plan to win. If you build to win the lane you have mana issues. If you build for mana you have damage issues. Everything is a big trade off with him. A lot of the times to you have pull of a couple of attacks and baits to make him work. If you mess one of those up you die or waste everything. Sure his ult is strong but good vision and game play can stop 70% of it. Next none of the "new" runes really scream fiddle. Dark harvest is strong supporting because it help get the tower and gives surprise burst with melee attacks.

My problem is I have to put a lot more skills and perfect game play to = someone just playing another Meta champ 2 or 3 times. Needs one or two different items that screams fiddle. A rune for Dot damage AP. People think fiddle it toxic because they don't know how to play against him. Like why are you standing next to the wall I can ult over while trying taking a turrent. Bro you just saw me and I disappear at 70% hp..... NO I DIDN'T BACK. or standing in my drain rather than one step back and then attack. Getting no sustain in lane when you are laning against him..... CROWS is his only farm spell attack him after his uses it. He will back or use lvl 1 drain. People can get fiddle to have 1/3 there CS but they fill the MUST kill him to win lane. Its kind of funny.

But he is outclassed by other champs. But my skill on fiddle I can compete. That doesn't mean he isn't on the weaker side.

Edit item 3165 and item 3102 are great items for AP and fiddle NEEDS CD. However, every time I get these I die too quickly to do anything. Fiddle NEEDS HP. this is at gold plat level. Sure I would love to play high AP control fiddle but I can't win games like that above gold. I still have to carry 1 or 2 idiots that fed someone. Maybe its because Burst/poke is too high but you need the HP more imo.

MorgManBasher1 votes

I mean, if that's what works for you with your items but I personally prefer AP/CDR and do fine with it and Plat/Diamond. As for pushing the lane I generally roam a decent amount and push waves with my auto attacks so I don't get shoved into tower if I am solo laning.

I feel item 3027 takes way too long to scale for my preferences. I tried item 3379 before, it seems okay but I didn't like the damage drop off waiting for damage items.

But I agree he's on the weaker side, just not as bad off as people think he is. That's probably one of his biggest strength's though, people underestimating him.

Jmman1 votes

I don't see any games on fiddle with you.

But I go support mid and top.

Fiddle has a lot of damage base on his spells. Is why I get item 3027. item 3001 would be like my 3rd or 4th items if they had a lot of AP and I needs some resists. But mostly it also depends on match up on the build and play style / team mates.

MorgManBasher1 votes

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I don't see any games on fiddle with you.

But I go support mid and top.

Fiddle has a lot of damage base on his spells. Is why I get item 3027. item 3001 would be like my 3rd or 4th items if they had a lot of AP and I needs some resists. But mostly it also depends on match up on the build and play style / team mates.

I have like 7 accounts, lol

But like I said, whatever works for you everyone has their preferences and playstyles.

Jmman1 votes

I was just wondering the builds you used is all. Nothing bad just like seeing what others do and against what match ups.

MorgManBasher1 votes

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I was just wondering the builds you used is all. Nothing bad just like seeing what others do and against what match ups.

Oh gotcha.

My normal support core is just item 3151 item 2301 item 3157 item 3020 item 3135 . Since I'm on a poor man's budget I go full pen, generally rush item 3098 item 3108 item 1001 asap, not a fan of RoA but the item 3001 is a pretty solid item if you can afford it.

I know some high elo (masters+) fiddle supports go item 3069 item 3800 item 3117

Based Yager3 votes

I hope fiddles stays in the dumps tbh. Cancer kit, cancer champ.

Disembark3 votes

I like playing him with unsealed spellbook.

3min flash is digusting with his ulti.

RainbowIcee3 votes

I play fiddlesticks often enough to give my opinion on him i think. And my only struggle with him is finding use for the Dragin. His drain is outdated and only useful in the jungle even then the drain is mostly for sustain as the damage is quite slow. Using it during a fight brings more risks than reward. He heals very very slowly, the damage is very slow the enemy can outheal you if they have sustain. If all else can kill you if they're wounded they'll probably get away so it's better to chase them and auto attack them hoping for crow to come off CD. I think... drain needs to be either changed to a new damage skill or brought up to date. However RIOT is always experimenting on champion so i doubt they would only change drain and probably change his whole kit because "fuck it why not? "

Bouncemaster Zac2 votes

I still like comet on him since his fear makes it super easy to land. That said I agree that he always feels stronger as a laner. Heck, his winrate mid has almost always been several percent higher than jungle.

Shrek Luigi2 votes

I genuinely feel bad for the folks who play Fid as intended but--at the same time--I am really glad there aren't any support Fids running around like the latter half of last season. Was absolutely disgusting.

Friendly Ram1 votes

Middlesticks has been my go to since new runes dropped. Nothing like a free zhonyas and mobility to make me obnoxious.

ItsBulletTime1 votes

Yeah, there is a fiddlesticks 1 trick who lanes fiddle too with electrocute...she pretty cute tooz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD8W5aALXdw&t=192s

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

Aery+ scorch support fiddledicks is amazing tho.

andzki1 votes

i hate playing against fiddle (Especially laning against him) I don't play league as often anymore so I'm not sure if fiddle is better or worse than before the rune change, but fucking hell his kit is oppressive, you even try to walk near your own minions and he bounces his shit and silences you and does a lot of damage, you try to engage on him and he just q's you.

hes so frustrating to play against

Bârd1 votes

I feel like Q procing electrocute is a bug.

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