Can we stop kidding ourselves

GigglesO·Apr 21, 2018·4 votes·732 views

70% of games are determined by the 15 minute mark. Either Hit surrender, or lets just let them open.

Either that or riot should lower damage.

14 Comments

BeersteinApr 21, 20184 votes

Pay attention to the team comps and stop surrendering at 15. I see too many late game comps do this, and when they don't they very often DO win. Especially against assassin spam. Tanks wreck burst comps, just hold out til things start tilting towards even, then everything after that as long as you play smart falls into place.

The hardest part is if you lost all your buildings you gotta find a way to get map control without being backdoored.

GigglesOApr 21, 20182 votes

There is no such thing as late game anymore? You mean the 20 minute mark?

BeersteinApr 21, 20182 votes

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There is no such thing as late game anymore? You mean the 20 minute mark?

I'm not diamond, it takes us longer to get full builds.

GigglesOApr 21, 20183 votes

Full build is 3 items.

redniwediSApr 21, 20183 votes

You're mistaking the meaning of late game here.

The game as accelerated over the last few seasons, so late game champions can reach their late game power spikes very early. That said, if they don't reach their late game power spikes that early (aka they are behind or losing) they can still reach those spikes by stalling the game and farming up.

Everyone hits full build eventually, and once you are full build you don't get any stronger. Late game comps can win just by stalling, even if they lose the early and mid game. This is always how it has been, but I will admit it feels different this time around.

BeersteinApr 21, 20183 votes

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You're mistaking the meaning of late game here.

The game as accelerated over the last few seasons, so late game champions can reach their late game power spikes very early. That said, if they don't reach their late game power spikes that early (aka they are behind or losing) they can still reach those spikes by stalling the game and farming up.

Everyone hits full build eventually, and once you are full build you don't get any stronger. Late game comps can win just by stalling, even if they lose the early and mid game. This is always how it has been, but I will admit it feels different this time around.

I'd argue on the last part it's very dependant on team mentality, a defeatest mentality (like the OPs) can drag down a team super hard in League while positive ones, granted more rare, can do the opposite and crush overconfident teams.

redniwediSApr 21, 20181 votes

Oh definitely, but viewing the game in a vacuum (excluding players) it holds true.

AirKingNeoApr 21, 20181 votes

yeah maybe you aren't diamond like him, sure...

BeersteinApr 21, 20182 votes

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yeah maybe you aren't diamond like him, sure...

I did just say I wasn't when specifying different time marks, what's your point? I realize there's a difference, which is why I mentioned it. On top of that I know what happens where I play and commented on it. Plenty watch master/challenger streamers and also see plenty of turnarounds though.

Is there some you should surrender? Obviously. But it's not a black and white "surrender at 15 if you're losing" at ANY rank.

AirKingNeoApr 21, 20181 votes

You're ignoring his high-rank perspective. If almost every high ranked game is 'ff @ 15 or wait to lose' then there's an issue.

redniwediSApr 21, 20182 votes

If high ranked games were fine, but mid/low ranked games were decided by 10 minutes, there would also be an issue.

Rank helps put personal experience into a usable context, but having a different experience from someone else does not invalidate it by default. Different ranks play differently, but it's all the same game that we're playing.

The OP's perspective isn't being ignored, it's being contested. Defending his point of view is an important part of a healthy discussion, regardless of the rank of the one who is discussing with him.

Danni ChimesApr 21, 20182 votes

Can we stop kidding ourselves

When you fail a test in high school, hang it up.

Go apply to Burger King.

GigglesOApr 21, 20183 votes

So in college, 3 exams 10% homework, if you fail a test, you have 70% lof the grade left. You are probably retaking the course since you need a 70% C to complete.

You start over, you take the class again, you drop the class and get a W.

Danni ChimesApr 21, 20181 votes

Haha I hear you. That is how it is for most classes (up to late junior year...then you have those group projects and senior projects), but touche.