Stashu, Be Reasonable

Starlighte·10/27/2014, 2:36:41 PM·77 votes·7,292 views

And come back to the conversation. You have to realize at this point that every day of silence is another day that you offend and disenfranchise the Casiopeia playerbase. I'm not even a Cass main, and I can see how incredibly messed up this rework has been. From the time of incubation to the time of iteration on PBE to the rushed release and the silence since.

I get it, the threads are scary and they are hostile. But you have created this environment with how you handled the situation. Scruffy had a similar issue he had to deal with, but he handled the criticism superbly and communicated and interacted with the concerned playerbase. There is no reason you shouldn't be able to do this as well.

It's been weeks. Weeks of no changes and no real conversation in sight, simply you assuring the Cass mains that "You're on the case." and honestly, that isn't sufficient. It especially isn't sufficient after admitting to having rushed the rework. Cass fans are entitled to the same sort of careful treatment that Skarner fans were after his rework. Honestly, the best thing you can do is just dive back into the conversation. Don't drag your feet, and bring a buddy. Grab one of the senior designers, or grab somebody who helped you iterate on the kit, and dive back into the threads.

You're going to need the help, but don't shirk the responsibility.

82 Comments

Kingsgrave10/27/2014, 4:25:42 PM31 votes

Its not really a conversation when you have 50+ people waiting diligently on these forms with pitchforks. He has already been hated upon, insulted, and abused verbally by most of the people on here. Whether or not he made a mistake is beyond this, nobody deserves that treatment. You can't expect someone that literally just became a designer, makes a mistake, and then gets insulted by most of the community to just appear out of nowhere and constantly talk to said abusers.

The Whamboozler10/27/2014, 9:58:10 PM10 votes

Could he perhaps explain why Cass needed a rework at all? I mean, she wasn't a top pick or anything but she was ok. If they just came out and said something like "botters were abusing Cass so we tossed her in the dumpster until we can fix her entirely" I'd be mad, but not like this. This is like someone came into my house, rearranged my stuff and on the way out, ran over my dog with their car. Upon being questioned all they've done is swear "I'll look into why your sofa smells like dead dog now" and then never returned my calls. Shady and unprofessional way to do things.

Quepha10/27/2014, 3:38:11 PM9 votes

are we even sure he's still on the case? with no communication or changes it seems more likely riot just said "well her winrate is back kinda close to 50%, let's just say fuck it"

i remember last year riot saying they were going to compensate players for taking away ip from custom games when people pointed out there was no reason to punish players. a rioter said he was on the case, then silence that people thought was just due to worlds and preseason, then nothing. now they've changed the RAF program, not mentioned shit about undoing that change, and this seems exactly the same so i have zero faith that riot gives a quarter crap about people that like cassiopeia.

Azeta10/28/2014, 2:52:22 AM9 votes

I agree. I am a diamond Cassiopeia player since season 2 and I feel wholeheartedly that these issues (ie. early game mana / lack of damage) were swept under the rug. I have posted in the old forums ("Let's Talk Cassiopeia" thread) but our issues were not addressed.

Understand that it is not your fault, Stashu. All we want are RESULTS. We've been kept in the dark about what is happening for more than 2 months. It's about time you update us. Whether you agree with the changes or not, whether you are able to adjust Cassiopeia in the later patches, or whether you're still working with Riot at all, we just want to hear that you're doing SOMETHING about it.

If I am coming across as hostile, know that that is not my intention. We Cassiopeia players are simply frustrated at the lack of updates from you.

Azeta

yellowbricks10/27/2014, 7:49:12 PM7 votes

The stack game is the worst thing that happened to cass, I would love if that would just disappear. I don't even care what her new passive is, just no stacks, and give back the AP ratios that were gutted to compensate, that would go a long way to making me happy with the rework.

Kowe The Ewok10/27/2014, 10:19:00 PM6 votes

Amen. So many hundred complaints have been written about this horrible rework, still he shuts his eyes and ears and acts like everythign was fine. Just undo this God damn awful rework.

Anfractu0us10/28/2014, 2:54:15 AM2 votes

after a million games w/the rework i feel that it's actually stronger. level 2 first blood isn't nearly as easy but you can easily kill level 4 if you're managing mana correctly. the sustain is fucking fantastic, and if you build a wota you have enough CDR that ult is on a 55(?) sec CD - not to mention can easily 1v2 with the heavy sustain and damage. 1000+ ap is literally disgusting and it's easy enough to hit 400 stacks around ~25-30 mins. to me, i've always played cass with an E max and thus i played her entirely focusing on twinfang and positioning well/kiting/harassing with it; i don't understand how you could play her any other way and be effective at ALL. this is just my opinion of course, i know im probably the only one who likes the changes.

FantasySniper10/27/2014, 10:32:24 PM1 votes

What silence, he's already made a post acknowledging that there are issues he plans to address.

RowGo10/27/2014, 8:58:51 PM1 votes

I think as a community we need to also understand that riot is at most difficult time of the year worlds happened, preseason is going on (witch might I add seems like the biggest changes I've seen in preseason) they are making a pretty dam big change to lore the sommoners rift update is happening. And they have major complaints about the cass rework.

These guys got a lot on there plates and I don't think many of them have time to chat on the forums cause there probably running around the office like chickens with there heads cut off.

So while I do think riot should respond and talk to us, they got a lot on there plates and have more pressing matters to attend to.