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"Just don't let them farm" "If you let them farm its your fault" "Just shut them down early game"

63536895_DEL··6 votes·417 views

I was Shaco against a Xin. I invaded him at level 2 after blue and got first blood and stole his red. I warded his bush next to his raptors so I know he went there after respawning, and I decide to take his blue after getting my red, which I do. After his blue I then take his big wolf but he shows up we fight some and I Q away, about 30 seconds later we fight in the river and I Q away. He walks into a box takes some damage then goes mid to steal some of his Malz's cs, he gets maybe 2 minions before my Zed kills him. 2 minutes later I'm getting my blue and Xin decides to try and kill me, my bot lane and Zed show up and kill him and 1 of the enemy bot lane. Xin's laners aren't doing good or bad, they're just laning normally, but Xin himself is getting shit on. Xin didn't get either of his buffs on his first clear, I got all 4 buffs on the map, and I stole some of his smaller camps, he's 0/3/2 at 13 minutes.

Sated Junglers if left alone usually get Sated at about 18 minutes in my experience. I destroyed Xin all early game, so he's not sated until about 25 minutes. I counter jungled and didn't let him farm, and ended up delaying his power spike by 7 whole minutes. No matter how much I counter jungle its impossible to stop him from farming completely so he obviously he would get sated eventually and of course as soon as he did there's not shit I can do to stop him. So after he got sated it went something like this.

At 25 minutes, Xin instakilled my adc Quinn with item 3931 item 3124, Xin was 1/6/3 and he deleted my 7/5/7 Quinn. Looking at his KDA you can see he was still getting shit on at this point in the game, but he got sated and easily killed my Quinn.

At 33 Xin could 1v2 my J4 and Quinn WHILE HE WAS summoner 3ed. J4 trapped XIn inside his ult, and Quinn leaped out. Even exhausted with J4 and Quinn focusing him he healed too much to be killed, and dealt way too much damage to not be focused. He was cc'ed by J4's ult and Quinn's blind thing, so he had no choice but to attack the tank J4.

I'm not saying my team deserved to win the game, because honestly Xin laners ended up doing pretty well especially his Malz, what I'm saying is that even if all of his laners had gotten completely rekt in lane, along with himself getting completely shutdown by me, we had not chance of winning because of item 3931. Even after getting completely shut down early game, after he couldn't be killed while being focused in a 2v1 by my top lane J4 and my ADC Quinn. Even with a rekt team they could've still killed us in teamfights because it would take at least 3 of my team focusing XIn at all times to kill him, and if we focused XIn his team would just kill us while we killed Xin.

This post isn't specifically about Xin, its about Sated Devouer, this match just happened to have a Xin.

If you read the entire post thank you for taking the time for my butthurt.

Inb4 "he's just salty comments", Yes, I admit I am salty as fuck because of item 3931

8 Comments

mogonk5 votes

Downvoted for playing Shaco.

Crossette2 votes

That's Riot for you.

Frown upon a stacking mechanic, then fucking make FOUR of them.

BastionKross2 votes

First of all, phantom hit is one of the most unbalancing abilities I've seen introduced in my three years playing League. It has caused nothing but problems and created nothing but bullshit power spikes for on-hit junglers. Champions and items were delicately balanced around having their on-hits proc only so much in a time frame, and phantom hit threw all that meticulous balance right out the window. League was in a better place without it.

Secondly, once you see the enemy buy a devourer, it's like playing against a Nasus. You can delay that powerspike to raid boss, but it's only a delay. It's going to happen eventually. You pretty much have to tell your team "Guys, I'm gonna stall the other jungler for as long as I can, but we need to finish this game quickly". The game needs to end fast.

That's not the best solution, but it's about the only one Riot has left us with.

Cowgirl Ed2 votes

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First of all, phantom hit is one of the most unbalancing abilities I've seen introduced in my three years playing League. It has caused nothing but problems and created nothing but bullshit power spikes for on-hit junglers. Champions and items were delicately balanced around having their on-hits proc only so much in a time frame, and phantom hit threw all that meticulous balance right out the window. League was in a better place without it.

Secondly, once you see the enemy buy a devourer, it's like playing against a Nasus. You can delay that powerspike to raid boss, but it's only a delay. It's going to happen eventually. You pretty much have to tell your team "Guys, I'm gonna stall the other jungler for as long as I can, but we need to finish this game quickly". The game needs to end fast.

That's not the best solution, but it's about the only one Riot has left us with.

Nasus is a midgame champion; lategame his only objective is to take towers: if he teamfights he can get focused and bursted in like 2 seconds. I'm talking about real late game, not 30 minutes

Pupel1 votes

If your shacco and the game is lasting longer than 25 min you havee to hope you get carried. Like Lee Sin your role is to Dominate the early game. This does not mean getting kills . It means at 20 min in game youhave taken all their outers and one or two of their inner turrets along with 1-2 Dragons and plan on doing Baron in the next 2-3 min so you can make a final push in now of cource that starts with snowballing your laners but you need to be pushing fast and hard. If Xin has to cover lanes guess what he is not doing. Stacking.

The Deckowner1 votes

not really about sated devourer, it did make many attackspeed champion stronger, but stronger doesnt mean broken. it's rageblade that makes them broken.

i main xin and he carried me out of bronze in s5, but now i quitted playing all the devourer rageblade champions because they are just so broken with this item that gives attackspeed=2adc attackspeed/crit item combined, ap/ad that worth about 700 gold each, and stupid aoe hydra effect.

dont know why rito didnt nerf it.

Slamurai Jack1 votes

How the hell does the game last 33 minutes when they have a devourer jungler that far behind? That is the real question. Like seriously, force down towers, take Baron, and end the game.

Sneakyy XD1 votes

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I was Shaco

I don't know where you were trying to go, but I guarantee that that was your problem.

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