https://i.imgur.com/9GI3wT2.png[]
I forgot to build hp...
Oh wait...
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Yea ok riot, keep telling us you want tanks to be in the game and that you are nerfing damage. Until you address the issues facing them they will remain unplayable.
Disembark69 votesSo we're just not gonna mention that Fiora was very ahead, you were behind, she was the top laner, you were the jungler.
A late game champion with FOUR BIG TICKET items at level 18 that specifically counters tanks vs one of the worst tanks in the game at almost four items (each of your items costs ~2650 and her items cost 3200+) is getting killed quickly. Oh the horror!
IPromiseTomorrow25 votesThis guy has a point.
There's a reason why Rioters dislike posts on LOL boards XD
TeCoolMage5 votesexcuse me we are an educational and logical platform not a curated compliment chamber like reddit how dare you post this drivel when we should be spamming about riot doing a bad job
Baron Barian18 votesHave you considered banning Fiora? She's kind of a REAL bad match-up against for anyone playing Ornn. As in she counters him super hard.
Unuldor46 votesSo...by that logic. Ban Fiora Vayne Darius Pyke and any champs that can abuse conqueror. The real issue is that damage hasn't increased much other the years. There are just no defensive options available. No Force of Nature, a crappy version of thornmail, and many patches stating such gems as "poppy does to much damage so we're lowering her armor per level" as an example. They long and short is that people hate fighting tanks, so riot as nerfed them to the ground.
GigglesO23 votesHow dare you stand there and reduce my damage!
Hügö6 votesHow dare you do what your class should do.
Disembark6 votesExcept Fioras been doing this to tanks even when tanks were way better? Not to mention Fiora had way more damage on all of her abilites in years before.
This is one of the stupidest posts I've ever seen - but I expect nothing better from you.
Croc Block6 votesShe really didn't, I don't think you understand exactly how amazing this rune system is at breaking champions, Nor do you seem to realise that Steraks,Triforce combo only came out in the last year or so which is a huge spike in both damage and survivability. Yes her base damages and scalings may have gotten nerfed at some point, and the pre rework Fiora with Tiamat was hilarity. But it doesn't change the fact that with all the gold in the game right now, that three item Ravenous Triforce Steraks spike is obtainable very early in midgame and you just..dominate people.
Baron Barian5 votesSo...by that logic. Ban Fiora Vayne Darius Pyke and any champs that can abuse conqueror. The real issue is that damage hasn't increased much other the years. There are just no defensive options available. No Force of Nature, a crappy version of thornmail, and many patches stating such gems as "poppy does to much damage so we're lowering her armor per level" as an example. They long and short is that people hate fighting tanks, so riot as nerfed them to the ground.
There are defensive options. There's just none when your going against a tank shredder with 10+ kills over you, every single dragon, a baron buff (the fiora's team got 3 that game, so I can only assume scenarios), and to be honest, your choice of having 
and 
is kind of a questionable item choice.
Jesus is Savior8 votes[{quoted}](name=Baron Barian,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Jb2eWNwx,comment-id=000000010001,timestamp=2019-02-24T04:45:37.086+0000)
There are defensive options. There's just none when your going against a tank shredder with 10+ kills over you, every single dragon, a baron buff (the fiora's team got 3 that game, so I can only assume scenarios), and to be honest, your choice of having
He is Ornn. He didn't have he had a 
instead. And given the severe lack of good Ornn upgradeable tank items, it makes sense. He could always sell the jungle item later.
Baron Barian3 votes[{quoted}](name=I Follow Christ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Jb2eWNwx,comment-id=0000000100010000,timestamp=2019-02-24T06:55:32.194+0000)
He is Ornn. He didn't have
But spending 2900 gold for something you basically already have doesn't make sense. Even if he doesn't make full use of his passive, he was basically wasting gold on something he really didn't need. Almost any tank item would've helped more. Warmogs, Omens, or he really anted to fully use his passive, a locket. Any one of those would've gave him something he didn't already have. Even if he wanted to sell the jungle item, it just makes no sense to have both.
Jesus is Savior5 votes[{quoted}](name=Baron Barian,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Jb2eWNwx,comment-id=00000001000100000000,timestamp=2019-02-24T07:33:37.578+0000)
But spending 2900 gold for something you basically already have doesn't make sense. Even if he doesn't make full use of his passive, he was basically wasting gold on something he really didn't need. Almost any tank item would've helped more. Warmogs, Omens, or he really anted to fully use his passive, a locket. Any one of those would've gave him something he didn't already have. Even if he wanted to sell the jungle item, it just makes no sense to have both.
Locket provides 1680g worth of stats without the active. Upgraded locket is 2250g worth of stats without the active. Item costs 2200g. The Ornn upgrade is providing 570g extra stats compared to the original.
Sunfire cape provides 2333g worth of stats without the passive. Upgraded sunfire is 3466g worth of stats without the passive. Item costs 2750g. The Ornn upgrade is providing 1133g worth of extra stats compared to the original.
Ornn may have also been hoping to get to full build. Locket is a support item, and not slot efficient at all in a full 6 item build.
Ornn also has to complete a jungle item. He can't just sit on machete, because "monster hunter" exists again, and if he doesn't complete his jungle item he can't farm minions.
Should he have built a different jungle item? Probably. But maybe he got wrecked early and needed survivability. If anything was the wrong choice, it was Cinderhulk. But his Forgefire Cape was fine. Ornn has awful tank upgrades. (Even Frozen Fist gives less armor than Frozen heart - so his other "tank" upgrade is essentially a damage upgrade, because it's essentially a frozen heart with a spellblade passive - someone with a frozen heart is slightly tankier than someone with a frozen fist)
Ornn needs more upgrades. Frozen Heart and Spirit Visage should be included. His current selection, while better than before, is still incomplete. Even as a Master Yi player, I still have to change my build if I have an Ornn on my team, because the only good upgrade for me is might of the ruined king. And I normally build death's dance instead. And prior to his mini rework I didn't even have a good item to choose.
GigglesO3 votesEnemy team was full ad? Why wouldn’t I build both of his upgrade armor items?
Edit he also doesn’t really scale off of anything but tank items...
5StackUltOneShot7 votesSo...by that logic. Ban Fiora Vayne Darius Pyke and any champs that can abuse conqueror. The real issue is that damage hasn't increased much other the years. There are just no defensive options available. No Force of Nature, a crappy version of thornmail, and many patches stating such gems as "poppy does to much damage so we're lowering her armor per level" as an example. They long and short is that people hate fighting tanks, so riot as nerfed them to the ground.
Just putting it out there, Darius is ass with Conqueror. I ranked #92 Darius in the world and I lost to Ornn simply because he out damaged me at level 5 after playing safe as well as out lasted me. You can check the game. I think its just Fiora and Vayne that deal your entire hp bar. I had the pleasure of playing against Fiora as Sion. Wasnt exactly the most 'fair' thing Ive ever seen. Vayne is just kind of 'oh cool, 600 true dmg every second hit'
BoilTheOil7 votesThe reason damage is too high is 1. too much gold in the game 2. keystones and 3. infernal dragon
SchaferBot5 votesSo...by that logic. Ban Fiora Vayne Darius Pyke and any champs that can abuse conqueror. The real issue is that damage hasn't increased much other the years. There are just no defensive options available. No Force of Nature, a crappy version of thornmail, and many patches stating such gems as "poppy does to much damage so we're lowering her armor per level" as an example. They long and short is that people hate fighting tanks, so riot as nerfed them to the ground.
There is no defensive option available for %hp true dmg. Naturally the only thing that counters true dmg is more hp right ?
Fiora R and Vayne W are bullshit.
Jerry SeinfeId1 votes"poppy does to much damage so we're lowering her armor per level" as an example
How else would you bring a champion, who is supposed to be a bruiser, in line? Nothing wrong with making her a bit less tanky in favour of keeping her damage.
Yets42402 votesPoppy is a Warden, a tank.
JinxButOnAcid3 votesCounter picks don't mean shit. It all depends on how you play. You can shit on the enemy laner regardless if you know how to play. and yes, I've beat many fioras with ornn
GigglesO14 votes[deleted]
JinxButOnAcid1 voteswouldn't my sum name be any hint to you that I've played this game before? I've been playing since s4, can you elaborate on why you don't think people can with against their counters? or is the word counter a loss for you the moment someone picks a champ you don't know how to play around?
Vizoplez7 votesA simple response to this:
Try outplaying a Zoe main.
Unless you have hyper range, or an assasin, or just dont take damage(good luck, zoe does true damage on E+Q or just E), you will lose before 6. Zoe powerspikes super hard at 6 as thats when she will usually build her first item, Ludens Echo.
The point is, your point is completely invalid. At 40% CDR she can basically spam her Q every 6(?) or so seconds and it wasnt even URF.
There -ARE- broken champions and broken runes in the game cough yasuo cough and cough vayne cough that will never be gutted, if riot gets their way.
Sometimes skill is worth less than a combo that takes less than 3 seconds to proc to instakill you if you have less than 2k hp at level 6.
GigglesO2 votesZoe actually really pisses me off when I have to play against her. You can build enough magic resistance that you still just die.
Vizoplez2 votesZoe doesnt care about magic resist - If you look into her E+Q combo, it does true damage rather than magic.
I think it has something like 40% true damage conversion, and with ludens echo it basically bypasses MR.
Personally, I used to main Zoe, then gave up after feeling boosted on any other champ except mordekaiser. //2broken4me
Tahminatrix 16 votesTanks DO exist
For 3.47 second(s).
NemeBro14 voteshttps://i.imgur.com/9GI3wT2.png[]
I forgot to build hp...
Oh wait...
https://i.imgur.com/ksstyTc.jpg[]
Yea ok riot, keep telling us you want tanks to be in the game and that you are nerfing damage. Until you address the issues facing them they will remain unplayable.
The at worst second best melee carry tank shredder in the game shredded a tank when she was at full build. I don't see a problem friend. =)
Neptunia xoxo3 votesThe at worst second best melee carry tank shredder in the game shredded a tank when she was at full build. I don't see a problem friend. =)
Pls stop
ExpStealer6 votesThe at worst second best melee carry tank shredder in the game shredded a tank when she was at full build. I don't see a problem friend. =)
True Damage dealt by any champion at any stage of the game shouldn't exceed 33% at best regardless of circumstances
DuskDaUmbreon2 votesAgainst a tank with a large amount of armor, and if she's consistently proccing vitals?
Tbh, it should.
Yets42407 votesThat much, from one character, in less than 3.5 seconds? Fuck no.
NiceTryVi5 votesBecause she does true damage based off your hp, jsut like Vayne. There is no way to build against that and it is unfair. If you do true damage your opponent should be able to build hp agaisnt you, if you do magic or phys based off enemy hp they can build mr or armor. doing true based off hp means that all you have to do is build AP or AD and crit, no armor or mr pen required
Power Cosmic14 votesWhen you are buying tank items, and your opponent is buying damage, you feel like you are getting weaker and falling behind.
Beerstein6 votes[{quoted}](name=Power Cosmic,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Jb2eWNwx,comment-id=0029,timestamp=2019-02-24T23:10:53.960+0000)
When you are buying tank items, and your opponent is buying damage, you feel like you are getting weaker and falling behind.
That's because even if you're doing better and getting more gold you are falling behind.
Power Cosmic6 votesThat's because even if you're doing better and getting more gold you are falling behind.
Lol. Yes that was exactly my point. Tank should go a long way versus non-carries, but everyone carries so....
Sir Saltarin12 votesFiora destroying tanks isn't a problem tbh
Daddy Ants11 votes[{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Jb2eWNwx,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-02-24T09:15:19.265+0000)
Fiora destroying tanks isn't a problem tbh
Neither is Vayne, Varus, Kog etc.
None of the tank busters are a problem on a champion kit level.
are an issue.
Saianna9 votes51% true damage isn't even that much for Fiora actually.. Not these days...
SettDownShutUp8 votesIf the champions and their classes (tank, mage, marksmen etc) is a game of rock paper scissors, Fiora is a Gun.
Mael Jade6 votesYou forgot to counter Fiora by building Bramble Vest! It's the only and best counter to her and the only reason she never was nerfed (or her one nerf reverted after they added this item) and every single champion can build it to not be raped by her as fast... oh wait. Not everyone can build it and it barely does anything past 20 minutes, only fucks her early game in trades where the healing reduction is meaningfull, late game that bit of less healing from her Ravenous Hydra, Deaths Dance, Bloodthirster and passive is useless and she goes through your hp like a hot knife through butter.
Post might contain salt and irony, read with causion
N3mO066 votesThe main problem for me is that she did almost 2k true damage in 3.47 sec This is burst.....
Wolfeur5 votesIncredible, the tank-busting duelist killed the tank in a 1v1. Consider me surprised.
NiceTryVi7 votesIts not that she won, its that she does true damage based off HP, so there is no defense, shed kill you the same speed if you had 10k damage as 3k
Ragnaveil3 votesShe does this to non tanks as well. Try playing anything with peel on a kit and watch her press one button and kill you.
Wolfeur1 votesWell that is another matter. That she's too good against carries/bruisers does not make her tank-busting abilities an issue. She's supposed to delete tanks; whether she has sufficient weaknesses to compensate is irrelevant in this discussion.
Ragnaveil3 votesOk, so she excels against tanks. We get that, but here's the thing: There are better ways of making her stronger vs tanks other than overloading her kit with true damage.
"But its only in one spot" Even though her Q has a short cooldown if she just hits something, and lets not forget procing one vital gives movespeed, then by pressing r you also get movespeed, so reaching that one "pesky" vital isn't an issue anymore. Her kit was given this true damage because tanks were very dominate at the time, so she needed this type of damage to deal with them.
Now that tank stat value has gone down massively since then, its about time she gets adjusted and put back in line. This ALSO would open up avenues to buff her since her passive (hopefully) wont be the whole central core of her damage if they adjust it. It should be a bonus for the committed, not a free chunk.
Daddy Ants1 votesHow to fix and without needing to nerf the champions who use it
Awakened Dragon CDR effect reduced to 10% per basic attack from 20% Awakened Dragon cooldown increased from 30 seconds to 45 seconds.
Phantom hit effect is now every 3rd auto attack for ranged champions instead of every 2nd. Cost increased to 3200 gold from 3100 gold.
OHminus8 votesHow to balance rageblade:
Delete.
