"We might buff ADC to vayne lvl"

Sona x Rubick·11/18/2016, 4:38:43 PM·35 votes·4,980 views

probably the most stupid idea i ever heard from meddler

but fear not friend, i support your idea so you break the game and finally make ADC not picked in 100% of the games.

{quoted}

It currently looks like Vayne's one of, or the strongest, marksmen right now. That means she's worth looking at. Conclusion might be that we should buff weaker marksmen, adjust items or masteries, or that it's just meta that she's strong and that's appropriate. Looking at her in the first place seems pretty important though.

56 Comments

RiotMeddler11/18/2016, 7:21:15 PM45 votes

Buffing underperforming marksmen like Kalista or Kog isn't the same as buffing every ADC to Vayne level.

As per that quote you posted (the actual one, no the one you made up for your thread title) whenever looking at a possible balance problem we think it's really important to keep an open mind to figure out what the actual situation and best approach are. Maybe that's nerfing a problematic champ. Or maybe that champ's just a symptom not the actual problem. 'Nerf the thing people are currently yelling about' isn't the right approach however.

Ralanr11/18/2016, 4:42:50 PM14 votes

...no.

No. No. No. NOT AFTER YOU GAVE ASSASSINS AN INCREASED KILL WINDOW!

They should be nerfing ADCs to actually be weak in these windows while still having counterplay.

#If you're going to buff every marksman to Vayne level, then you might as well buff everyone else to be stupid!

Aptest11/18/2016, 4:45:18 PM12 votes

Riot,

As a support main, I implore you: NO.

use this instead: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/31d5-fuIZML.jpg

FireDrizzle11/18/2016, 4:42:50 PM4 votes

Can we see the quote? If they do this I better play this game constantly before they ruin it.

GULAG 4 U11/18/2016, 11:58:28 PM3 votes

shitpost, nuff said.

MysteriousBootie11/18/2016, 9:42:01 PM2 votes

YES YES YES

IM SO TIRED OF ADC'S BEING THE 1 HIT KILL BITCH OF EVERY CHAMP IN THE GAME, HARD COUNTERED BY SHIT LIKE MAGES AND ASSASSINS, ADC'S SHOULD BE FUN TO PLAY, NOT SOME BULLSHIT OF "LEL HOPE MY TEAM PEELS HEHE XD"

MunchCrunchLunch11/18/2016, 6:06:55 PM2 votes

shh. they want every match to have 6 adcs

top: quinn vs lucian

jung : graves vs kindred

adc : adc vs adc

not like that never happened last season.

NGNL Asian11/18/2016, 9:27:33 PM1 votes

Buffs lucian. Becomes 100% assassin Buffs Jhin. 4th shot ko Buffs Ashe. Slow+Damage Buffs sivir. Enemy team cries in teamfights

Skia Asteri11/18/2016, 4:59:28 PM1 votes

So they are going to make every ADC be good at nearly everything that any champion of the class does? So much for class diversity. She is strong because they buffed her in ways that minimized a couple of her weaknesses (burst damage and taking down defended structures).

Zepper11/18/2016, 11:51:45 PM1 votes

It does not matter whether your thoughts on vayne or how the game should be balanced is right or wrong, you should always show respect towards those who work hard for this community, especially Meddler. Otherwise you're just a ranting nincompoop who knows nothing about game balance.

Mizaya11/18/2016, 11:55:57 PM1 votes

You want ADCs to not be picked? You'll have to nerf them to the point where it will be harder to find an adc in solo queue than support. Or, you could make reworks like Morde without screwing then up as happened in his case.

Vayne is just guaranteed to be strong in a meta of assassins. Her power level otherwise isn't that much better than the other carries. Also, the removal of ghostblade as an ADC item sharply increased her power. She can now reliably duel enemy ADCs with the combo of a BF and shiv. Before you were taking a relatively large risk by trying to duel a lucian with a ghostblade, but not anymore.

It's really a very complex situation. Ghostblade items got removed, but most carries aren't suit to be able to make a big splash in the early-mid game with crit build. Vayne with Q max can actually do that. Plus she can fight back against assassins, potentially being able to win a duel if she doesn't get 1 shot.

So we're stuck with little to no variety in itemization, little to no variety in champion strength, and from what I've noticed, game impact is very inconsistent. I have seen a Twitch hard carry, literally 1v5, then the next game both carries aren't even 2nd in damage and are contributing little.

More than ever exists the problem of the bot lane not being able to snowball by themselves.

Oglaf11/18/2016, 8:30:01 PM1 votes

I hate to toot my own horn but, it is such a glorious horn that it has to be tooted:

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/xXTOwPvM-crazy-idea-what-about-a-bizarro-crit-stat