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Marksman Change is the best thing ever happened, so why the frown (wtf), guys?

SolarPWNage··7 votes·1,357 views

Honestly, all I hear these days are bitching whining and pouting. OMG WTF ARE THOSE PEOPLE THAT IGNORANT? Riot gave this game a chance for diversity that league desperatly needed for years. The ability to play what ever you want any where you want these day have been the best thing to ever happen to league.

LOOK. WHY BITCH ABOUT THE OP WHEN. YOU. CAN. PLAY. THE. OP? If it is that overpowered then play it! Do anyone actually understand that all the changes for season 6 is right now the best time for league as Anything is possible? People were sick of the standard way of playing league BUT THE ADC ARE FINALLY BRING VARIETY BACK TO LEAGUE. Look, I would have been hella stoked if I saw anyone playing anything outta the meta in season 5 because I was sick of the meta.

Ignite is now a thing in top because ADC now go top and they are hella squishy. Weren't we sick of TP?

Assasins are great and back in the meta because of the ADC. Finally Katarina get a passive buff!

AP casters got so many buffs, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU ARE COMPLAINING! The masteries was a buff. The ADC buffed AP casters

(YOU) : wait, what?

(ME) : ADC and the new AD items are forcing everyone to build damage or ARMOR.

(YOU) : But, freaking ADC and grevious wounds and AD items and mana pots...

(ME): No mana pots, no problem. Ever heard of controlling your mana? Maybe pick up a blue buff if you have a hard time controlling you mana pool? Ever heard of items that gives Mana through either flat mana or mana regen?

Now, the issue with grevious wounds.

(YOU) : BUT MY DR.MUNDO AND GREVIOUS WoundsSSSS!

(ME) : IDK man... play someone else? Or if you have played Dr.Mundo enough, you should have been used to the grevious wound debuff by now. Plus grevious wounds have been nerfed.

I know for a fact preason is the best thing that ever happened to league., what you want to think is fine by me. I don't care if you hate the preseason and complain about it 24/7, just don't tell me because thats you choice to look at this glass half empty, look at the glass half full and maybe you might start appreciating what preseason had gived us change.

37 Comments

Light deus3 votes

i love your talk about grevious wound, "IDK man... play someone else?"

SolarPWNage1 votes

Its funny because it's true. XD

ChargeItDownMid1 votes

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UberAffe1 votes

Noticed how hard it is to win a game without at least 1 tank?

Every role is important and while any game can be won without one of the roles it is easier with all of them.

The reason marksmen are rarely left out is because they push towers the best, its what they do and you can't win the game if you don't take turrets.

ChargeItDownMid1 votes

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UberAffe1 votes

I never said they have to be botlane. Kindred/ Graves jungle or quinn mid, Awesome go two hard engage champs botlane and rek face.

Also top is a position not a role. You can play Assassin, tank, bruiser or other roles in top lane.

It really isn't that hard to win without at least 1 tank. There was almost an entire season of dual ap mid and top, ganking bruiser jungle, and marksmen with utility champion in the bot lane.

Still had a Bruiser who was able to tank damage. The point is that someone takes the brunt of the damage so the squishy damage dealers can do their thing.

ChargeItDownMid1 votes

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UberAffe1 votes

You can win botlane without a marksmen. Have you ever seen a J4 with Voli or renekton botlane? That shit is scary.

ChargeItDownMid1 votes

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darkmatchwaldo1 votes

Yasuo Blitzcrank will crush the bot lane and then snowball the game out of control. Just putVayne top or Quinn mid.

ChargeItDownMid1 votes

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3TWarrior1 votes

melee champions harrassing marksmen, that's new

kalista actually become a top lane champ for a time because no melee champion without significant engage can catch her so long as the player(or program) is able to play the champion properly

quinn's primary position was top lane for 2 seasons because she couldn't compete bot lane early with the other marksmen, but her harrass in lane is/was good

darkmatchwaldo1 votes

Don't knock it till you try it. Between his passive shield and wind wall you take a lot less harrass than you would think. If you really need to grab a group of minions you can literally run up, toss the wall, grab the farm, then back up. Because of the zone blitz creates they have to play a outside his range, meaning they won't be in range to harrass me. It only really works if you're on skype/with your duo though. Double ignite secures the first hook landed every timesummoner 14 summoner 14

ChargeItDownMid1 votes

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darkmatchwaldo1 votes

Oh god no, i'm s4 so i can stomp hella hard with it. Take it any higher than that and it falls apart lol even some people at my level are good enough to beat us. Very fun though. Might mess around with j4 bot lane, sounds like a blast.

3TWarrior1 votes

jungle and the lanes are positions...best afforded to certain "roles" of champions

there are marksmen, tanks, mages, assassins, supports(mostly hybrid with mages or tanks) and fighters(hybrid with tank)

those are roles, used to take advantage of a position

darkmatchwaldo1 votes

I'm sorry....nerf....the marksmen........even though 80% were terrible and useless before this patch......?

ChargeItDownMid1 votes

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darkmatchwaldo2 votes

I never said the class itself was useless....? I'm saying that most of the marksmen were extremely underwhelming in comparison to Jinx Vayne. There was no reason to play any other ADC in soloQ. The class is not overpowered in the least bit, just because it's required to have doesn't make it OP. I fail to see how you think the class its self is OP. Sure they do mad damage....because they build nothing but offensive items...which means you can blow them the hell up before they even get one AA off. It's a required class because how else are you going to siege towers with the enemy defending, melt through 4k health 200 armor tanks, or take down baron quickly? That doesn't make them OP, that just makes them valuable. Every other class brings its own advantages which are useful in situations too.

3TWarrior1 votes

Sivir , MissFortune , Caitlyn and Tristana all disagree with you

personally it was mostly the older marksmen/women that were outclassed

twitch, ashe(actually excels at extended duels now...a bad place for an adc against another adc), the former graves(only had so much to offer), corki(awesome but lacking range and real burst but not an escape), kogmaw was a late game hypercarry that many teams valued but most public game don't play the "defend the carry" minigame

Dangerous Man1 votes

Marksmen are MADE to be full of damage and forced to be shut down. You're supposed to target them first. I still find them underwhelming though. I don't agree on the AP casters getting a buff at all.

SolarPWNage1 votes

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Marksmen are MADE to be full of damage and forced to be shut down. You're supposed to target them first. I still find them underwhelming though. I don't agree on the AP casters getting a buff at all.

AP got a buff because of the new meta shifting toward ad. AD is going to be the dominate play stlye which mean less builds focus on defending against AP. This isn't a direct buff to the role but more of a passive buff.

The mana issue is easily solved through items and maybe one or two blue buffs.

BluePolarizer1 votes

You are low elo yourself. Like, you are near the worst of the worst. Why are you telling higher elos who point out problems that they aren't good enough? Obviously they're higher elo and probably know something you don't.

Also, I don't want to use the OP champs. I only have fun on 5 champs, 4 of which have been reduced from tier 1-3 picks to trash tier unplayable picks. I don't play this game to win, I play it to have fun, and winning is a side effect.

SolarPWNage1 votes

{quoted}

You are low elo yourself. Like, you are near the worst of the worst. Why are you telling higher elos who point out problems that they aren't good enough? Obviously they're higher elo and probably know something you don't.

Also, I don't want to use the OP champs. I only have fun on 5 champs, 4 of which have been reduced from tier 1-3 picks to trash tier unplayable picks. I don't play this game to win, I play it to have fun, and winning is a side effect.

So I am assuming you are addressing me. If you only look at me based on my ranked position that is so lame. You don't know me and certainly you don't know how I play and what I expirenced. I don't know what you think but I play Riven adc, Vlad support and nunu mid, etc So if you want to argue about picks that are fun you are arguing with a guy who plays fun picks. IDK man...

Plus you realize how the non of the pros complain about the game?

The only people that complqin are the ones who hate change. We can tell those folks "Welcome to real life" :D

BluePolarizer1 votes

I deal with real life all the time. I don't have time to relearn this game now. The game has been changed to be unrecognizable from all previous seasons. Since it is no longer has the feel of League of Legends, I'm just not going to play much anymore.

SolarPWNage1 votes

LoL! IDK man... I love fallout 3, when I played fallout 4 i had no problem and i enjoyed the game. before this patch i played league i had no problem and after the patch i played league and I still love it.

but hey, hate the game or love the game its your choice. its a free country.

3TWarrior1 votes

pros also receive multiple thousand dollar payments to play the game in a $100,000 event that happens yearly, have professional trainers analyzing the opposing teams and champions, literally learn EVERY CHAMP to know their strengths and weaknesses, are not "penalized" for lag spikes(the most recent example being where a game was actually suspended for 30 minutes because one player couldn't connect to the game...on an exclusive, reserved server for the pros)

tell me, is there even a point to complain when they have all that?

they have complained...literally 95% of all professional matches banned Mordekaiser because he could "remove" the opposing team's most essential role, an ADCarry

Boulderox1 votes

Play more than one game on nunu after 1 month away... and please come back and edit the post, I would like to see how that changes your thoughts.

Secondly, most ap items wer nerfed due to cost increase, so adc update trumps that.

Thirdly summoner 12 is more useful now than ever, even after the nerf due to the fact that the turrets are paper now...ly

Fourthly, Pantheon tell me how you manage him mana wise without a blue buff? Hecarim?

Fifthly, you think Yasuo ahving item 3087 +item 1018 =100% crit and warlords mastery is good... 3300 gold for infinite sustain and crits.... not to mention Tryndamere alone....

Sixthly, just because something is op doesn't mean everyone wants to play it, remember when JarvanIV Vi RekSai were all must have junglers, that was STUPID, and unfun as hell for both sides. The fact that champ x is completely screwed over because Graves is the new DrMundo is not fair at all...

darkmatchwaldo1 votes

The cost increased on AP items but so did the average Gold Income.

Buy a flask and manage your mana betterHecarim item 2033

Yes warlord is too strong they are changing it from what i hear.

Also hard CC still destroysYasuo Tryndamere (Annie)

Who are you to decide what jungler people want to play and have fun with?

It's always this way. Some things are always just better and push certain picks out of the meta game.

Boulderox1 votes

{quoted}

Who are you to decide what jungler people want to play and have fun with?

It's always this way. Some things are always just better and push certain picks out of the meta game.

That is the problem, I have no say, but the meta does. If the meta shifts so certain champs cannot be viable, picking them leaves you with a disadvantage from the get go when only powerpicks are played it is not fun to watch from a viewer standpoint(lcs).

And second CC is not an answer, cc counters EVERY champion in the game.

Unpaladin1 votes

Pantheon's mana is fine right now. Burnflask was legit made for him. Riot buffed his mana while simultaneously making him not need mana pots. I've played him for a while including on the PBE and it's been fine. If you run out of mana, maybe you should just accept that you ran out of mana on your own terms.

Yasuo and Tryndamere are getting fixed. Why are you even bringing this up?

I'm also pretty sure that champions need their time to shine. There are a number of popular, powerful champions right now just as there was back then. If you didn't have fun while Jarvan, Vi and Reksai were popular picks, doesn't mean others didn't. Quit looking for things to complain about, Riot are gonna fix this eventually. It is a Preseason experience, just like last year.

3TWarrior1 votes

about the "damage or armor" thing

DrMundo disagrees. he will build armor to counter you...hard...but he can run in against most ADCs and get the kill

Lajneen1 votes

{quoted}

Assasins are great and back in the meta because of the ADC.

This is a joke right?

NostolgicSkies1 votes

the marsmen update made adc's the most versatile pick in the game they didnt update MM they took other roles and gave them to marksmen. why play Ap mid when u can have yasou, why play a real jungler when you can adc jungle. why have a late game top tank when u can just earlgame adc top and take tower in less then 3 minutes. why play burst ap when u can just play graves. adcs needed a better identity i agree but they didnt need everyone elses identity as well.

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