Why is Garen now more of an attack speed champion than Aatrox?

Hmmmmmmmm.

or or depending on enemy team

Yoo this is dope, gonna try this when I get home [sg-jinx]

Aatrox needed to be changed because old Aatrox needed AS, AD, CDR, Lifesteal, Health, and Resists to be good. The problem is that AS, AD, and Lifesteal are all very expensive stats, and are very rarely found with the defensive stats.

New Aatrox mainly scales on AD, CDR, Health, and Resists. CDR is usually bundled with AD, Health, and Resists so his items choices and core build is much easier to manage and he isn't as heavily punished for going for a greedy item like DD.

I think the main reason they changed Garen is so that he can actually use stuff like Grasp and Tiamat without it feeling like shit once he starts spinning 24/7. The goal isn't to make him good with attack speed, but to make it so that he can actually build a lot of items that are geared around the idea of AS=DPS without it feeling bad.

The difference is that building attack speed on Garen will make you instantly melt anything that touches your spin, while building attack speed an Aatrox will cause you to immediately realize why nobody builds attack speed on Aatrox.

Thats literally every rework ever. Riot hates sustain damage champs. Aatrox reworked into a oneshot piece of shit, swain reworked into a oneshot piece of shit, even shen mini reworked from outsustaining and winning by attrition with Q and poke wittling u down into a oneshot piece of shit. Every new champ is a oneshot piece of shit: kai'sa, sylas, neeko, qiyana, akali, irelia.

Only adcs are allowed to deal sustain dmg but even then it's sustained burst dmg since they kill u in three autos.

God do i miss the times when ignite was REQUIRED to have kill pressure in lane but i can already foresee the downvotes and dozens of comments how dmg is now the lowest it has ever been when in reality there were like two champions oneshotting u and everyone hated the shit out of it: rengar and leblanc.

Crit rengo, AP lich bane rengo there were so many r%%%%% tier oneshot builds on rengo. Now being able to one combo people at lvl 3 is a given. HP regen used to mean something. Playing for lategame by rushing a cutlass toplane to outustain a losing matchup and get to your items. Not doable when lategame hits 12 minutes into the game.

Mana pots for sustain in lane.

actually, it's less than that but it is a lot of math

for example, at full health, it does 8% of their max health, but then they have what is left, so the %current gets lower

the number of procs is still ridiculous for any on hit though as that is the equivalent of 8.0 attack speed and more with

for example, if all hits are applied, is an extra 180 to 960 bonus damage without the rageblade at 24 hits (wherever that number comes from)

you then add half damage of every on hit on top of that for ridiculous amounts

Garen was used in competitive right after this video lol.

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Wow, I just played with you in ARAM and you built full attack speed Aatrox, just thought it was funny given the post.

Aatrox is also not a speed attack champion

Pretty sure that Tiamat is "on attack" like rage blade and hurricane, not procced by abilities that apply on hit.

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How does interact with this? Does it proc off every unit he spins on or only one per tick? Because if it does, then he will be an absolute monster with it in minion waves or teamfights

Yeah every single spin procs the tiamat aoe damage, it's pretty funny. Like all the other on hit effects with his e it's at half damage, though, but it's still good for wave clear. The thing is, his new e on there can already clear waves pretty fast even without Tiamat. And about rageblade as mentioned by RIP Tahm Kench above, his e also stacks rageblade and phantom hits just fyi.

His new spin procs on hits on the closest target at 50% damage

Frozen mallet is on hit, so his spin will apply it to the nearest target.

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He can't stick on anyone well enough to use attack speed well anyway

That's why you get this and as jungle garen you can also use . Fleet-Footwork also triggers off of the spin giving garen more movespeed, Lethal tempo is overrated.

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I was wondering what he was even going to build. About the only atk speed item garens normally get is triforce. He can't stick on anyone well enough to use attack speed well anyway

His E also procs onhit effects, aka frozen mallet slow.

Infinity Edge doesn’t give attack speed

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pretty sure the attack speed scaling just means garen can build a crit item after his core

you mean 4 IE?

See my comment below

I've been saying Garen's E should scale with attack speed since season 4 lol