Explain how renekton is balanced

QuickenedBlade·Mar 29, 2017·5 votes·1,949 views

when i can start coin on kayle, have 2 ranks in my heal, get dove at lvl 3 before first back while standing at tower the entire game, tp back in with 2 cloths and immediately get dove and killed again without him dying.

Explain how this is any less toxic than laning patterns. dash dash targeted CC ignite q dead. Don't stand by minions? Don't let him attack a minion for 20 seconds so his rage goes down?

Holds rage forever and the second you try to look at a minion he dashes and stuns you. if his tornado was targeted and could be held forever and take 0 tower damage.

Why is he allowed to hold rage forever? When gnar bullies in lane he is forced into melee form after a while, and yas's CC is a skillshot.

Pantheon atleast can't dash across fucking africa and stun me

24 Comments

VladCuzBadMar 29, 20175 votes

Why is he allowed to hold rage forever?

He can't? It diminishes if he doesn't attack.

LyndrisMar 29, 20171 votes

Unless you hit one of his to markers 50 & 100 %

QuickenedBladeMar 29, 20174 votes

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He can't? It diminishes if he doesn't attack.

doesn't attack for 20 seconds

can fill whole bar in 3 seconds

Eternal TormentMar 29, 20172 votes

Actually renektons ragebar empties itself rather fast, it goes down by 2% every second he is out of combat and for renekton out of combat to his passive is 8 Seconds of not attacking AND not being attacked so every Little poke, every Little minion damage, EVERYTHING that he hurts or hurts him keeps his rage bar up

QuickenedBladeMar 29, 20173 votes

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Actually renektons ragebar empties itself rather fast, it goes down by 2% every second he is out of combat a

2% a second = 50 seconds of not doing anything

Eternal TormentMar 29, 20172 votes

during the laning phase that happens fast, push him into going back a lot, plus he wastes 50 rage immediately upon using a Skill so for sustains sake he is likely to Q into a minion wave so you can poke him hard and bait him to use it. Really, renektons ragebar is easy to empty out.

PS: downvoting everyone who reasonably tells you how to counterplay and just complain back gives the impression all you want is attention to hate against a champ.

EndlessSorcererMar 29, 20171 votes

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Renekton

INNATE: Renekton generates 5 Fury each time he lands a basic attack on a non-structure, losing 4 Fury per second if he hasn't dealt or taken damage in the last 12 seconds.

You don't have the correct values.

Eternal TormentMar 29, 20171 votes

XD ya, i thought he loses 2 per second, my fault. but that only further underlines my statement

Violet FieldsMar 29, 20175 votes

He falls off late game. Plus, Renekton's abilities aren't as dramatic as Yasuo's are.

BLACK REALM GODMar 29, 20172 votes

your first problem was going kayle (fighter support) against renekton (fighter). you're literally going to be outclassed in every way your entire laning phase due to the fact that you're a hybrid and renekton isnt.

support champs sacrifice raw power for team synergy. if you're in a lane by yourself you're wasting your champions potential.

QuickenedBladeMar 29, 20174 votes

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your first problem was going kayle (fighter support) against renekton (fighter). you're literally going to be outclassed in every way your entire laning phase due to the fact that you're a hybrid and renekton isnt.

support champs sacrifice raw power for team synergy. if you're in a lane by yourself you're wasting your champions potential.

Lmao

Kayle has 0 team synergy. She isn't a support. She is a 2nd version of Kog mixed with Trynd.

BLACK REALM GODMar 29, 20172 votes

and that's where you're wrong - which is probably most likely without a doubt why you had trouble.

tryndamere is a fighter with pure critical building stats 100% melee and doesnt even require using his abilities.

kogmaw is a marksman that has a ranged basic attack and all of his abilities scale from the same stat.

kayle is a fighter support that has a heal+movement speed buff, a slow+armor debuff, an attack speed and damage enhancement (all fighters have these as it's their primary damage), and her ultimate is an invulnerability buff that prevents damage for 2-3 seconds. her passive is a resistance debuff. her entire kit is about debuffing the enemies through attacking them. that's why she will never compete with pure damage fighters like xin and renekton.

DoktorKaiserMar 29, 20172 votes

He is just stupid early game and totally unfun to play against, its true, but he is imo very balanced because unlike many cancers that are never weak in any stage of the game ( Yasuo , Fiora , Riven ) , Renekton falls of soooooo hard late game that its not even real, same as Pantheon , so just play extremely safe and dont let him snowball so hard that he can 1v5 and he will fall off incredibly hard later.

Eternal TormentMar 29, 20172 votes

Actually yes renekton is balanced and the reason why is simple.

Renekton is not op, he is not up, he is not a 1v5 carry machine and he is no sustain god, he is no god Tier tank nor a god Tier fighter. renekton is just 1 Thing. THE lane bully of league. Renekton has a lot of counterplay potential, sure it is hard to pull off but hard does not mean impossible plus renekton cant compete with equal bullies such as jayce and can be face stomped by a skilled Pantheon fiora and even a yorick and since a lot of his damage Comes from skills he is vurnerable to CC and silences aswell as damage reductions from a certain garen. Renekton is strong out of this sense that he is an ideal pick to shut down carry champs in the early game due to his massive scaling inside the first 15 minutes of the games Play, but renekton lacks 2 Things which are a sustained scaling and a strong synergy with the team and so he can fall off lategame incredibly hard assuming you made it this far which in the higher elo is not even all that uncommon. Renekton's powerspike already starts dropping significantly at minute 25 unlike most early game bullies who start falling off at minute 30 so unless he is so fed that he suffers diabetis type salt you can shut him down in the later stages. Renekton is one of the champions who are easy to Play but hard to Play against, yeah fighting him is a pain in the ass and possibly also gonna tilt you hard if you are the toplaner BUT once you do find your way around him you will notice it to be really easy to actually fence him off. who Plays renekton likely wants to win within the first 30 minutes so if you can make it past that youve already managed one of 2 possible Counter Plays that are globally available regardless of the pick which is force him into the lategame. the other possible Thing to do is simply to Counter pick to which my recommendations are (incase you are not all that skilled) Jayce, irelia and garen. if requested i can give you a specific intelligence as to why These 3 champions fare really well against this stupid lacoste mass murdering bag

FrightningMar 29, 20171 votes

Renekton's E can only be cast a 2nd time if he hits something w/ the first cast. When his skills are on CD, his damage is pretty mediocre. You were playing Kayle, a fairly squishy champ, versus Renekton, a rather bursty bruiser. It's a tricky matchup imo. If he spends his CDs that's the best time to re-engage him and even up the trade, because he can do nothing but AA and that's only if you're in melee range (yay for Kayle's E being ranged).

QuickenedBladeMar 29, 20172 votes

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Renekton's E can only be cast a 2nd time if he hits something w/ the first cast. When his skills are on CD, his damage is pretty mediocre. You were playing Kayle, a fairly squishy champ, versus Renekton, a rather bursty bruiser. It's a tricky matchup imo. If he spends his CDs that's the best time to re-engage him and even up the trade, because he can do nothing but AA and that's only if you're in melee range (yay for Kayle's E being ranged).

That's what I did if I didnt die from his "trade". He healed to full hp off of Q from minions while my 14 second CD W heals me for 100. No matter what champion I pick he's cancer. I always get dove no matter how much armor/hp I stack, no matter how safe I play. The champion is toxic to play against.

Yasuo can only dash vs minions. Renekton can dash through minions in a any direction as long as he hits a minion. It's a better version of Yasuo's dash.

OneTrickZilianMar 29, 20171 votes

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That's what I did if I didnt die from his "trade". He healed to full hp off of Q from minions while my 14 second CD W heals me for 100. No matter what champion I pick he's cancer. I always get dove no matter how much armor/hp I stack, no matter how safe I play. The champion is toxic to play against.

Yasuo can only dash vs minions. Renekton can dash through minions in a any direction as long as he hits a minion. It's a better version of Yasuo's dash.

I think you are just a noob player, I hope you was reported for feeding too.

FrightningMar 29, 20171 votes

Except Yasuo can also dash through minions...it's a fixed distance dash, just like Renekton's. He shouldn't be able to 100-0 you before both of you have farmed for a bit. If he was, then I have to ask how he got ahead because there's no way a level 3-4 Renekton that hasn't backed can 100-0 Kayle with just his burst rotation (the math proves it).

If this is later on in lane, then it's post-6 and you have your ult. So anticipate that he will dump a ton of burst when he goes in and ult yourself. Now he either wastes the damage, and you can punish that to the max (his E CD is like 18 seconds, so there's a LONG window where he's got no mobility and you have a spammable slow on your Q), or he waits out the Ult duration and that gives you time to Q him and get out of melee range (moreover, you probably got at least one of his E's dmg w/ that ult, and if he isn't quick w/ the 2nd, he will lose the recast window (which is 4 seconds, btw).

If this was post laning phase, and he was already fed, then it's no surprise you got deleted. A fed Renekton that built a good chunk of AD will have major burst and will be able to delete squishy champs. That's what teamplay and peels are helpful for, dealing with divers like Renekton.

AnhartaminMar 29, 20171 votes

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HyperiönMar 29, 20171 votes

Lee sin does it with 1 item after Jungle item...

OneTrickZilianMar 29, 20171 votes

CC rekts him. In team fights as Zilean i have easy time with him.

KaiokoMar 29, 20171 votes

Am I the only one bothered by the fact that you're starting with Coin with Kayle in a solo lane and didn't bother to level up your Q to slow him and kite him by level 3?