Kassadin gets specific nerf on URF for ult cooldown because he'd be op

QuickenedBlade·Mar 5, 2017·48 votes·7,142 views

locked to 3 seconds, then 2 seconds, then 1 second

0.1 second cd dash deals half your health bar with the most overloaded kit ive ever seen

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SintamaMar 5, 201716 votes

Vayne Ult Permanently up. Tumble on a 0.01 second CD. Can permanently stealth while doing massive damage.

RocketRelmMar 5, 201713 votes

Difference being that Vayne actually has to auto attack between each tumble.

That doesn't sound like much, and it is a level of bullshit, but it puts her significantly below Fiora's level of bullshit.

LordGeovanniMar 5, 20171 votes

visable for half a second when she can run mach speed while in visible for 1 second mind you she can be max range on one side of you and reach max range on the other side of you

JoxcabMar 6, 20176 votes

She's ranged unlike Fiora, stealth gives her untargetability, she has crit, and autoattacking after a Tumble isn't that hard.

ArakadiaMar 6, 20171 votes

Stealth does not giver her untargetability. Please, you know thats not true.

Skill shots do work.

JoxcabMar 6, 20171 votes

It is effective untargetability to everything except AoE and skillshots which shouldn't hit anyways due to her mobility.

ArakadiaMar 7, 20171 votes

Not really. Some skill shots are really hard to dodge even with your Q such as Cho' W.

JoxcabMar 7, 20171 votes

There's two issues with that. One, if you're not in point-blank melee range, it really shouldn't matter unless Cho is massive. Two, Cho's W hitbox and visual indicators are just outdated and honestly horribly inaccurate.

RocketRelmMar 6, 20171 votes

Alright, let me phrase this another way.

Literal Faker playing Vayne will be more bullshit than Fiora.

In reality, you're not fighting Faker. You're fighting gold tier players on average, if that. Somebody who has played vayne twice in their entire lifetime is going to feed out their ass. Somebody who has played fiora twice in their entire lifetime will still 1v3 you at 20 minutes in.

CatastropMar 5, 20172 votes

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Ult Permanently up. Tumble on a 0.01 second CD. Can permanently stealth while doing massive damage.

Except that to every mage/assassin, she's just a bag of gold because she can never come in range or she gets locked down with CC that has little downtime/or just blown up.

DynikusMar 5, 20177 votes

From the 100ish games I've played, I've seen every champion atleast once, and in my opinion, Fiora is the only one that's busted beyond belief right now.

SpârkyMar 5, 20172 votes

i dont know. Evelynn is pretty stupid as well. Irelia is pretty good too

DynikusMar 5, 20174 votes

they are, there are a lot of very, very good champions. I would argue that fiora is the best, though. Someone else posted last weekend that a fiora dove their fountain and got a quadrakill before dying.

Tychusfindlay919Mar 5, 20174 votes

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i dont know. is pretty stupid as well. is pretty good too

Eve can actually be beaten by quite a few champs, and I've seen irelia get bent over by yi.

Fiora literally has no counters. She dashes very .1 second.

Every urf fiora I see just builds pure fucking AD Lifesteal, presses R the second she sees you, and if she procs one vital youre pretty much insta dead.

ThefrostyvikingMar 6, 20171 votes

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i dont know. is pretty stupid as well. is pretty good too

Irelia does at least fall of in the lategame, she might bully really squishy targets but juggernauts or a wombo combo can still hurt her badly.

Fiora - % max hp True damage that scales of AD, a abiltiy that can block anything, and that endlessly repeatable dash.

Pierce The VealMar 6, 20172 votes

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From the 100ish games I've played, I've seen every champion atleast once, and in my opinion, Fiora is the only one that's busted beyond belief right now.

Eve, Irelia, and Garen are all really good.

Bard gives me aids, but isn't as broken as the other 4.

GULAG 4 UMar 5, 20175 votes

What do you expect, balance in fucking urf!?!

QuickenedBladeMar 5, 201712 votes

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What do you expect, balance in fucking urf!?!

they nerfed kass specifically for urf lmfao

but not any champ that uses invisiblity or cancerous fiora or anything.

GULAG 4 UMar 6, 20171 votes

Do I work at riot?

WillSmithasaurusMar 6, 20172 votes

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RavenMagusMar 5, 20175 votes

Have you faced Quinn at all? You can't run, you can't hide, you can't fight back, she just runs you down and deletes you. Can't do anything because lol edge of night backed by vault, blind, and insane burst damage.

Have you faced Rengar? Better hope you're playing a tank, otherwise his 20 second cooldown ult will delete you in one hit. Your teammates probably aren't so lucky though.

Have you faced Wukong? He's permanently invisible, at least until he pops out, bursts you for most of your health, and then clones again. If you don't have wide AOE lockdown, there's basically nothing you can do to fight back.

At least with Fiora you can pretend to fight back.

UltîmaMar 5, 20174 votes

Complaining about balance in ARURF is kind of like complaining about balance in ARAM...

DynikusMar 5, 20177 votes

while the game mode is inherently imbalanced, they do make some alterations so it's still fun and somewhat fair. Like with kassadin's ult, and I think ryze's snare.

Ariel the CruelMar 5, 20171 votes

inb4 "ARAM accounts".

Velzard of KozMar 5, 20176 votes

You should've read the topic. It helps. Reading few letters ain't that hard.

He literally mentoins special modification done on another champion in terms of "balance" wondering why the same isn't done to Fiora.

Sire HippingtonMar 5, 20173 votes

and then you have Zed , swaping shadows multiple times a second(E on champs fully resets the cd in urf as it's so low) while dealing massive damage to everyone in the process, and if all else fails he just throws shadows towards you direction and spams his shit from a save distance.

Tiddy TwisterMar 5, 20172 votes

Shaco > Fiora > XinZhao > Riven > Zed > Vayne > Maokai

No flash no lifeMar 5, 20171 votes

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> > > > > >

Shaco used to be bottom tier because one item 3341 instantly disables all boxs (mind you, sweeper @ lvl 9 moves with the champion and has low cd cuz urf) and reveals shaco, but then the sweeper nerf came in...ugh

idk about the other champs above zed tho. Riven'll be fine, but how are xin and fiora even going to get anywhere close to zed? There is literally no reason for zed to all in them if he can just poke his target from under his turret to enemy turret, and if zed doesn't all in then those champs can never get close unless they chase to inhib turret.

Velzard of KozMar 5, 20172 votes

I seem to be the only one here being bothered by Trynda with GA. Basically unkillable unless you have three people with specific picks chasing him. Spins away when he's vulnerable, spins back and slows when he wants, if he's killed gets revived by GA and in few seconds his ult is up again. Not that he'd make the game unwinable, it just makes any attempt to protect the base frustration unless you have good picks.

But oh well it's URF init

MarshbouyMar 6, 20172 votes

Blink>dash Kass dash is longer than a fiora dash

overloaded kit ive ever seen

clearly you haven't played this game long enough to see something like release ekko

3TWarriorMar 6, 20171 votes

they changed ekko's kit? I thought all they did to change it were number tweaks and cast times?

also, you forgot reksai, the champion who could 1 v 4...at level 1, kill at least one, level up and get out XD

Sexy Jack RabbitMar 6, 20172 votes

They nerfed Kassadin specifically because has has been perma-banned for 90% of URF's existence.

He can literally ult on top of your head with max-stacks without any limitations.
He's an absolute monster.

3TWarriorMar 6, 20172 votes

Fizz

Gallows madnessMar 6, 20172 votes

you guys think fiora is strong HA no

a good Jax or a Garen who isn't dumb will destroy you just as fast if not faster

and if you think fiora can out duel Irelia then you must be mentally insane

MonkeyKing has near perma cc but is destroyed by alistar

Evelynn ridiculous in the right hands (i take fervor on her in urf) people have yet to see it's potential of burst

Jayce the ONLY way to beat this man in urf in lane is have nami. her heal out sustains his damage i had a nightmare of a time against nami raka and sona won't work

XinZhao if you go gunblade into bruiser items you will not die to him unless your Irelia

Blitzcrank max e and play him full AD you will have the time of your life it's perma cc heaven I out dueled a fiora with this guy (loved it)

DrMundo my favorite but can be destroyed

Karma if you want to die or like torture play against this champion

Zed i'd open lanes and afk if that zed gets a single kill because a good zed will 1v4 and come out alive i've done it over 5 times to prove it Zed is cancer and will destroy any of the champions above if he is good enough but don't worry too much bc most are bad

Poppy fun to play as but cancer to play against she will cuck you harder than you think. She is the bane of half of the people above she may very well be the only champ to out duel an Irelia or Zed she is your savior in grace.

Quinn I can't see

Ivern my favorite color is spring and i can solo kill wukong

here are the mages u just want to avoid Annie Syndra Ahri

any one else is solely dependent on skill or experience have fun now go play endless torture

SilverjustMar 5, 20171 votes

I think zed needs a nerf in urf

Sexy Jack RabbitMar 6, 20171 votes

Just buy a Zhonya's. It is always on a lower CD this his ultimate.

SilverjustMar 6, 20172 votes

he can kill you without ult normaly and is way too mobile to fight

lightdragoon88Mar 5, 20171 votes

XinZhao pretty much right there with her.

Pale PirateMar 5, 20171 votes

zed, xin, garen

DoktorKaiserMar 5, 20171 votes

Fiora is like Xin or Eve with the extreme spam on spells and stickyness only that she bursts tanks in same time as squishes and cant be bursted due to spammable riposte, please disable her rito, I am yet to see her lose game in like 20...

rtbf202329206Mar 6, 20171 votes

Leblanc

Akali is SO HOTMar 6, 20171 votes

Fiora's Q only does a large amount of damage if she hits a vital, has 100 less range, and is a dash instead of a blink.

QuickenedBladeMar 6, 20171 votes

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Fiora's Q only does a large amount of damage if she hits a vital, has 100 less range, and is a dash instead of a blink

Kass's blink has a cast time, Fiora's Q doesnt Fiora's Q is on a shorter CD Fiora's Q does 300-600 damage based on vital.

Fiora Q > Kass R

ZedexMar 6, 20171 votes

I fail to see how she's a problem, considering its all random. You're either going to get lucky and get her counter, or she'll get lucky and not get countered. Its ARURF, why are you crying about balance differences between champions?

Daddy AntsMar 6, 20171 votes

Morgana Nocturne Sivir 's spell shields. item 3102 item 3814 . DrMundo 's ult.

These need hard nerfs in URF also.

UnpaladinMar 6, 20171 votes

I still don't get how she works despite seeing her destroy every game she's in. She literally annihilates everything she touches, and there's only 2-3 dashes in there. SOMETHING has to be doing the damage, it feels like this case is due to a bug but I know it isn't.