Riot considered nerfing Shaco because he is "too much of a pubstomp champion" but.....

I may afk·2/23/2018, 11:15:39 PM·69 votes·3,512 views

"We're talking about Shaco. Risk there is he's pretty strong already at most skill levels already, so we'd already been considering a nerf on pub stomp grounds. Nothing conclusive yet, but less sure we should add power to him as a result, even if Duskblade gets nerfed." -Meddler

being good in every game, against every jungler, in every elo is perfectly ok. Warwick has a 55% winrate as high as Masters elo and completely dominates and pubstomps Bronze through Diamond V. Shaco has less than 1/3 of the playrate that Warwick has, and is without a doubt harder to play to. The difference is Shaco can actually be counter jungled and falls off a cliff past his early game cheese while Warwick is still the strongest mid game jungler in the entire game.

61 Comments

Jbels2/24/2018, 12:29:08 AM43 votes

Did you just try to use logic against Riot's double standard? You poor, naive fool

kaironen2/23/2018, 11:43:51 PM28 votes

Shaco currently does not fall off I believe. However, warwick is stronger than shaco atm. Even if warwick is healthy, he does need a nerf more so than shaco..

L Psy Kongroo2/24/2018, 1:16:19 AM15 votes

I don't believe a single person on the balance team has played Shaco since his rework. It's literally the only reason I can think of that would make Riot so blind to what kind of state Shaco is in right now and why. Not only that, but they seem to lack a fundamental understanding of how Shaco works. I don't even have the energy left to argue at this point. Might as well just main Kha'zix, he does everything Shaco does but better.

ZeeWolfZ2/24/2018, 6:18:44 AM11 votes

They haven't sold enough WW skins. He needs to be OP for a few more patches.

Gotta hit those quotas.

Zed genius2/24/2018, 1:14:26 PM7 votes

Also really he's been through a whole season of being unplayable and now that he is somewhat decent, not even overpowered, Riot is looking to nerf him AND his item build like wtf

AirKingNeo2/24/2018, 12:58:47 AM6 votes

Now we're circlejerking Warwick despite him being fine?

Andrey03452/24/2018, 7:02:55 AM5 votes

How is Shaco strong? Seriously? He is doing somewhat ok only because item 3147 exists , as a champion he's in very bad state.

Drugoth2/24/2018, 4:23:28 AM4 votes

You have to have 200IQ to do good on Shaco .(See Pink Ward)

He is definitely not for everyone.

Gabresol2/24/2018, 11:20:54 AM4 votes

How many patches in a row would that makes Shaco's nerf streak?

Divine Thighs2/24/2018, 5:42:08 PM3 votes

Shaco is an assasin. Riot hates assasins.

Humble Aatrox2/24/2018, 6:33:23 PM2 votes

Warwick can be counter jungled tho and Trundle can 1v1 him most of the time

SirLapse2/24/2018, 7:32:36 AM2 votes

Warwick isn't really a pubstomp champion. Missing ulti usually means you're overextended and failed to catch someone, and burning Flash to get them isn't always a smart idea. I've seen many, many Warwick players just be new to jungle and throw really hard with him. You need to be consistent on this champ the higher you climb up.

But as for lower elo, Warwick is still most definitely a duelist champ that scales for teamfighting with his E. People do not know if they can fight and win against him, but that doesn't stop lower elo players from constantly wanting to, does it? Solid ganks compared to pre-rework and stuff like Xin Zhao copy the same effect of what WW wants to do. It's more that everyone around WW is getting nerfed and the people left that can contest him on pure damage is just decreasing slowly.

He's still weak to counterjungling due to his horrendous first clear speed (this champion attacks slow AND has only 335 movement speed, literally only 5 ms higher than ADCs), and when WW is behind he actually struggles to catch up without his Tiamat/Bami's Cinder buy due to the aforementioned clear speed issue.

Zed genius2/24/2018, 1:11:04 PM2 votes

Shaco can actually be counter jungled and falls off a cliff past his early game cheese

That's not how it works, shaco's early game is trash unless u somehow get ahead and he slowly makes his way to being useful through mid/lategame. I am not supporting the nerf in any regard, I just want to make this clear because a lot of people seem to be stuck in season 6 shaco. (Proof to what I said is champion.gg, his hihest winrate is in 40+min games and his lowest at 20-30 minutes)And yeah he can get counterjungled way too hard because of his lack of flash usually

Kyunsei2/24/2018, 5:19:36 PM2 votes

Upvoted for Warwick. He's stomping pretty much every elos, and for a way too high playrate.

His only weakness is that he fall off a lot late game.