Runescape did it, World of Warcraft did it and League of Legends is doing it

Indominus 1337··181 votes·8,992 views

Killing the game and ignoring their community. I remember reading something about the rise and fall of empires and how every empire had similar errors and downfalls, it is in human nature, I think something similar exists for games and gaming companies that grow popular.

RIP Season 3.

Overwatch came at the right time.

202 Comments

ofart25 votes

Almost every successful company who makes one great product starts to think they can do no wrong and refuses to listen. Sun Microsystems did the same thing. The initial success makes them think that they're the visionaries and because "not listening" worked for the initial success, they start to think it's always the right thing.

Glescoron17 votes

Man, F*** ALL the riot apologists in this thread. I cannot believe anyone would honestly try to defend a faceless corporation that's being hit with criticism. I've seen players being described as "entitled." ENTITLED. For wishing a game was better and offering solutions, we are entitled. For being ignored and mistreated for ages now, we're ingrates. For not standing in line like mindless drones and playing the game however our Riot overlords deem fit, we should just "get over it." I have no time for anyone who can tell me that we should all just "get over" a game that we love being sodomized in front of us. I'll let the downvotes take care of the problem for me.

Rito Gums15 votes

I think the game is getting better with new content maybe you should adapt to the changes

Indominus 133738 votes

No need to adapt when I can play superior alternatives, I'v been around for a long time and they symptoms are exactly the same.

71883083DEL19 votes

[{quoted}](name=Indominus 1337,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IwkzObPg,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-06-03T08:08:56.785+0000)

No need to adapt when I can play superior alternatives, I'v been around for a long time and they symptoms are exactly the same.

Maybe you should really consider adapting to the changes, he could very well be right.

Indominus 133733 votes

Nope, I have superior alternatives, not going to adapt to garbage, season 3 was great, season 6 is trash.

71883083DEL19 votes

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Nope, I have superior alternatives, not going to adapt to garbage, season 3 was great, season 6 is trash.

By all means, go play Overwatch. No one cares if you leave

Indominus 133733 votes

That is what everyone said in every other game when they were in this situation, those games all died, league is bleeding players right now across all elos :)

Ira Gamagori11 votes

For God's sake, would you stop it? I had enough, Riot admits it made a mistake, and how do you entitled bastards react? Even more furious than before, constantly whining like a baby, grow up and adapt or just leave, but leave us alone with your consistent unnecessary crying. Its getting really tiresome.

Indominus 133731 votes

Riot has lied for years and made many mistakes in a row for years, this was just a gigantic one and is the point of no return for them. We don't care if they admit it, doesn't matter, everyone knew it, doesn't matter if they admit it or not. You don't like hearing this, then leave, don't tell us to not voice our opinions!

Beldair4 votes

Opinion or attacking a company that has admitted they've made mistakes and work slowly and carefully to fix said mistakes?

Every gaming company makes some mistakes that eventually get corrected.

WoW is dead....i think not with it's large player pool and the influx of new players. Many are patiently waiting for Legion....

Overwatch....you can't compare LoL to WoW or Overwatch.

League is a Moba, WoW is an mmorpg, and Overwatch is an fps....those are 3 different types of games.

You want to compare League to a Blizzard game....then try Heroes of the Storm. That is a Moba that can be compared with league.

The Mighty Spank24 votes

MOBA isn't top-down exclusive and anyone under the illusion that Overwatch and Smite aren't MOBAs can remain sorely mistaken.

Weiner the Pooh4 votes

Admitting the mistake isn't enough, they need to fix it before anyone is going to stop being mad at them.

Beldair1 votes

That's just it, they can't fix it just like that... It takes time and programming to work out an issues.

Weiner the Pooh2 votes

So? Of course it takes those things but they need to do it, and soon. Literally no one is pleased with dynamic queue.

Beldair1 votes

Dynamic Q is also still new... They are still working things out with it.

Weiner the Pooh4 votes

And nobody likes it. With a community this large riot needs to listen and just give up and then Solo queue, this act has upset people more than any other.

Lirik5 votes

you don't have to come here and you don't have to click on thoses kind of post and you don't have the read them so how about you GTFO and stop crying about peoples crying WTF you thinking

Ira Gamagori3 votes

See this is what I am talking about Mr.Lirik. While i may disagree with your opinion I was able to voice my own opinion in a calm and organized manner, while you seem to consider vulgarity as the first option despite the fact that I have never talked to you. What you must realize if you want to improve is that every relation in the world is based around 2 or more people. In this case its Riot, the players, and the boards. You will achieve absolutely nothing if you just rage-post. You offer no constructive opinions, no helping, and no desire for improvement. I wish you a nice day sir or madam.

Lirik8 votes

you are not achieve or trying to achieve nothing yourself clam or not since all you ask is peoples to stop talking about matters that they love talking about so yeah have a good day mr.calm guy

YCitizenSnipsY7 votes

OP, You know Overwatch and World of Warcraft are run by the same company right?

TheTwerkinator3 votes

although under different teams

Indominus 13374 votes

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OP, You know Overwatch and World of Warcraft are run by the same company right?

Yes, I do. The team that made World of Warcraft great, including Jeff Kaplan, works on the lead design for Overwatch. Overwatch is doing everything good so far, lets hope they keep it that way.

Gafugarion6 votes

I was there for the fall of Warcraft... It was a terrible experience seeing people that have played for years leave because of the direction the game took.

blacknerdtaku6 votes

Damn hearing this makes me picture somebody there for the downfal of the previous ruling empire.

Sad shit meng :'(

Shame it came to this for this game.

I blame ghostcrawler. He started butt-fucking WoW and now he's butt-fucking LoL.

junglerboy166 votes

I feel like I got out at a good time.

Watching this Riot shitshow has only made me happy that I quit playing this preseason.

RoMz6 votes

What I'd give to play S3 or S4 again :(

Shadula5 votes

"You think you want solo queue, but you don't" Blizzard Entertainment Riot Games

CodyBear 5 votes

Riot just fed Overwatch. GG

Indominus 13373 votes

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Riot just fed Overwatch. GG

lol, ff20.

MLDzXnRRR4 votes

Hey, WOW is still the most popular MMO and we all know that the game is not that good... The game is from 2004 - how exactly WOW is dead when people still play such old game?

71883083DEL14 votes

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Hey, WOW is still the most popular MMO and we all know that the game is not that good... The game is from 2004 - how exactly WOW is dead when people still play such old game?

All the kids are hooked on PvP still, that's why it's not dead yet

Keevalroy7 votes
Voluug133 votes

WoD PvP is 100% unbalanced trash.

Literally the only good thing of WoD was PvE stuff, specially raiding, and even there the class inbalance is silly on some aspects (Mages are still OP like every fucking expansion, fuck Arcane).

Indominus 133724 votes

2m sub vs 12m sub, it killed the community and quality of the game, people who still play it are idiots who get milked for their money buying garbage from the cash shop and paying a sub fee with 0 content lol.

venomous frost4 votes

and then you realise OW doesn't have solo queue either...

...and it's an fps so you can't even compare league and OW, might aswell quit league to play fkin call of duty

Indominus 133729 votes

Overwatch doesn't need solo que because of the nature of the game and in game voice communication. Overwatch was build for the queue system they have, League of Legends wasn't. Solo queue was what made League of Legends ranked great.

Paroe24 votes

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Overwatch doesn't need solo que because of the nature of the game and in game voice communication. Overwatch was build for the queue system they have, League of Legends wasn't. Solo queue was what made League of Legends ranked great.

It was the lore that interested us in the game. It was the gameplay that made us stay. It was the actual skill-based rank system that made us good.

Now? We have no lore to interest us in the game. We have none of the gameplay that made us stay. We have a casual 'ranked' mode that reflects nothing about your ability.

Shaserra4 votes

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Now? We have no lore to interest us in the game.

I guess that 10,000 word story piece they posted a couple of days ago, twinned with the whole Shurima minisite, doesn't count as lore? Or the Targon update before it? Or the Burning Tides/Shadow and Fortune events in Bilgewater?

There's still a lot of work to do when it comes to making sense of the world in a post-retcon continuity, but Riot has actually put out quite a bit of lore content in the last year or so. The "League has no lore" claim has been grossly untrue for a long time.

A Miss Fortune10 votes

Am I the only one that feels like reading lore isn't even fun anymore? I personally love lore in almost every game genre, though with League becoming less fun and more stale I've found it extremely difficult to want to read lore.

During the Bilgewater Event when League was considerably better I remember just counting down the time until a new story piece was released. Now even with multiple stories for Targon and Shurima being released relatively close, I kind of just lost all interest with League's decline.

LostFr0st4 votes

It's not that the lore isn't good, it's that the lore is frustratingly hard to find. They do tend to sticky it for a bit, but once the event is over it gets buried.

Paroe2 votes

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and then you realise OW doesn't have solo queue either...

...and it's an fps so you can't even compare league and OW, might aswell quit league to play fkin call of duty

So is smite not comparable to league either?

Duke Anax3 votes

Smite is not a Shooter though. It got strategy and Battle Arena style maps.

The difference is mostly in graphics not in gameplay.

Meep Man4 votes

WoW hasn't really died, just lost a huge amount of players. To say it's dead is a little bit of an overstatement. Runescape however, sure. I hardly even know of the game except when I here about it from stuff like this.

Cressalia4 votes

Welcome to the beginning of the end my friends. :^)

Lugg3 votes

I have seen this happen in the business world my whole life. You get idiots in charge who feel they have to change things even though everything is going well. It's to either to justify their job or stoke their ego that they can do things better. 95% of the time, it ends up a failure.

Xenos111113 votes

Hopefully enough of LoL's playerbase bleeds through to Overwatch that Riot finally realises how big they fucked up and actually gives us solo queue. The fact they think queue times and matchmaking are the only ways they fucked up is a joke.

High53 votes

Totally right. Loved LoL when it was in it's WoW TBC era. Hate it now that it's moved into the WotLK era and sold out to Acrivision.

Not surprised that Ghostcrawler is wrecking a great game.

Gosh Darn3 votes

I like the Runescape analogy. I imagine Riot will bring back solo queue after they lose half of the player base like Jagex did when they added Evolution of Combat and then added old school runescape.

Problem is that it will be too late. They will go through all the effort of making the changes, then reverting them, and it will accomplish literally nothing except fragmenting and weakening the playerbase.

Bronzoid3 votes

Yea this game won't last long.

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