Is it just me, or is Neeko's kit kind of half baked?

Bârd··7 votes·3,623 views

In my opinion, Neeko only has two well designed abilities, those being Inherent Glamour and Shapesplitter.

That's not to say they're perfect (they're buggy as all hell), but at least the concept is solid.

Everything else just feels like they didn't have any ideas.

Q: Blooming Burst

There are a lot of interesting things you could have done with this spell if you had just developed it a little further.

  • Have the last bloom deal bonus damage instead of the first, making it less of a cheap poke spell and more of a thing that rewards you for landing and following up on crowd control.
  • Have all of the blooms deal the same damage, but have it persist on the ground regardless of whether it hits, making it a potent area denial spell.
  • Have the blooms apply some sort of disable, either a stacking slow on all the blooms or a lengthy silence on the third bloom.

Maybe none of those were the right way to go, but the spell needs something.

As things stand, it's just a cheap nuke that comes out too quickly to dodge the first bloom

E: Tangle Barbs

As a Bard main, this makes me angry.

I need to skim the edge of a single creep out of the wave, without touching any of the others, at the right angle to hit the enemy laner. If I succeed, my reward is a 1-1.8 second stun. Cool.

Meanwhile, Neeko just throws it through the creep wave and gets a 1.8-3 second root as a reward for doing something much easier. Excuse me?

Rant aside, the spell is just uninspired.

R: Pop Blossom

  • The leap feels clunky.
  • The numbers are way out of whack.
  • Why is this a stun? Are you trying to buff Amumu by making him cry?
  • Why does it need to shield Neeko when it already does hard CC and tons of damage?

15 Comments

Nausicäa 8 votes

Point about E is pretty stupid honestly.

  1. Stun is much stronger then a root,
  2. Root duration is actually 0.7 / 0.9 / 1.1 / 1.3 / 1.5 unless you hit multiple targets which isnt guranteed and requires effort.
  3. 1 / 1.2 / 1.4 / 1.6 / 1.8 higher base duration on a better CC type.
  4. Bard is a support not a mid burst mage

Apples and Oranges, really stupid comparison.

Marshbouy1 votes

Bard is a support not a mid burst mage

yep. bard's damage is good until level 6 ish and then he starts to fall off. Any bard player worth his salt will be building actual support items too, so he'll be rapidly out scaled by a neeko.

Psyrix1 votes

Lol, Bard is weird in the sense that he technically should be dealing amongst the most dmg (when me and a friend play him as support it’s similar to Zyra, meeps can do a ton of dmg)... generally I got support items like redemption or locket, eye of the watchers, zeke’s, deadman’s and then a cheeky liandry’s... I haven’t played him really since the new runes came out so idrk what suits him (likely comet or aery) but he does do a deceptively absurd amount of damage once u keep collecting ur meeps to fuel the passive 😂). Absolutely love the guy

Sir Prepuzius1 votes

not cool to tell someone else his opinion is stupid, when you could just limit to say you don't agree

Nausicäa 1 votes

Opinions can be stupid. Opinions can be wrong.

Merely having an opinion, particularly one thats not supported by facts or evidence, doesnt entitle you to any kind of respect for that opinion. I dont simply 'not agree' because that would suggest that his opinion could have merit when it does not.

If i were to say that in my opinion the Earth is flat.

Are you go tell me, ' I dont agree with you' for making an absurd and false statement? My opinion that the Earth is flat has no merit, and im objectively wrong. To say that you respect my opinion that the Earth is flat when it is objectively false is idiotic.

Sir Prepuzius1 votes

nobody is claiming false fact like the earth is flat, we are discussion opinions and everybody is entitled of his own without being belittled

Sexy Jack Rabbit4 votes

The kit itself needs to be simple because apparently the Trickster aspect complicated her balance allegedly.

That said I do think her kit itself is very boring and far to basic. Beyond Trickster she is imo a very boring champion.

haaaaaaalp4 votes

Neeko is a good design, people just need to stop looking to give every champion everything. She functions well as a mage with strong aoe engage and damage along with long cooldowns and reasonable cast times.

ı Sona ı2 votes

It's just you. [sg-lulu]

Oleandervine2 votes

Neeko has a simple kit, but she is by no means half-baked or boring. When kits get overly complicated, that's when they become massive problems, because Riot has a tendency to be unwilling or unable to balance them because they see too many things as core to the champions COUGHCOUGHAzirCamilleRyzeKalistaAkaliIreliaPykeZoe COUGHCOUGH, so I definitely welcome simple kits back to the game. Neeko's kit functions well with the core aspect of her kit, her shapeshifting, and it needed to be a simple kit to prevent her from going off the chain and being stupidly broken or complicated. Like, you don't have to make kits Rube Goldberg machines when they're focused around a specific trick, a simple kit can do the job perfectly.

Sir Prepuzius1 votes

i fully agree with you

neeko E, it's way too much powerful and easy to land his Q is waaay to fast to cast his R.. i'll just limit to say it has an insane radius

i like the champion and all but why it has to be so easy and overshadow all the previous mages?

the most annoying thing i think is how much OP her snare is.. other champions have to split blood to land it zyra E travel at tortoise speed syndra E require sniper like aim brand Q / darius E, morgana Q, almost every hard CC that isn't point and click is blocked by minions.. but neeko for god knows what reason has his E that makes her probably the easiest safest mage to play, i had last 2 game with her both with perfect kda

Psyrix1 votes

Her snare really isn’t that op... it requires u hit a bunch of units before it becomes empowered. It is almost negligible if it is used on one target... u play against her opposite to how u would a Zoe: stay out of the minion wave. The reason why it seems so safe and easy is that, similarly to Zoe on release, people don’t take into account the ways to play against her.

The entire team1 votes

Neeko is not a drug addict and you should slap yourself for even suggesting it D:<

But jokes aside, she is a fun champ WITH Trickster and Glamour, and kinda mediocre without.

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

Neeko overall is only a quarter-baked at best.

She was a mistake and I'll stand by that statement.

Sirsir1 votes

Not a good idea to compare a poke make to a support. Apples and Gangplank and all that. You have meep slows and can proc it on walls.

If they had gone through with your ideas for her Q everyone would be whining about overloaded and blah blah blah. Having a decent throw-out poke spell is fine for a mage. Ahri Lux Brand

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