Why is Ziggs Q so hard to land?

Iron Wu··7 votes·3,760 views

I'm finding it rolling right by someone within close proximity or even hopping over minions and enemy champs. I find it should have better proximity detonation; I laned up against an Oriana as I was playing Ziggs and her ball does so much damage with one hit and hits such a wide area meanwhile my Q misses 85% of the time. The best chance to hit the enemy is if they stand directly behind minions and i can catch them with the splash damage. If I want to hit them in the open I literally have to anticipate which degree of an angle to throw it on because its so easy to dodge unless I throw it directly on the player but to do that I have to get real close and any gap closer champ will have a field day with me.

I've had a lot of sucess at mid lane but Ziggs is not that champ. I main Ezreal and have been using skill shots most of the time so im not inept when it comes to skill shots but Ziggs Q is a rage inducing troll.

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five oh tree 2 votes

I don't really have that problem too much. User error most likely. Just need more practice with him?

Xonra3 votes

lol "user error"

I've seen pros bitching about it on stream in the past. I've seen Faker (yes THAT faker) just stop moving cause he threw a bouncing bomb and it went through someone without hitting them, and he just stopped moving his character for a few seconds like "Wtf".

It isn't user error all the time :P

five oh tree 2 votes

Well yeah, but missing 85% is for sure user error lol.

DDasani1 votes

They nerfed his radius to his Q because previously is was too big

Handy Sandy 1 votes

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I laned up against an Oriana as I was playing Ziggs and her ball does so much damage with one hit and hits such a wide area

Seriously respect her ball's zoning power. Don't go anywhere near it. Try to put minions between you and it so her Q will do less damage, then run away from it before she uses her W and comes in for an autoattack. You can run up to her if she's pretty far away from her ball for a Q+AA and then run away before she has a chance to get the ball back to her.

meanwhile my Q misses 85% of the time.

Keep in mind people can dodge under it when it bounces. Use your Q to clear waves at early levels, once you have a bit of CDR you'll be able to spam it. Preferably at close range.

I throw it directly on the player but to do that I have to get real close and any gap closer champ will have a field day with me.

You have your E and W which are very good at peeling.

do a W+Bunch of Q and then E if you need to. Finishing them with an ult if you have it.

It'll be easier to hit bruisers and tanks, Ziggs is the ultimate kiting champ.

Sohleks1 votes

Yeah it's almost like they expect him to use the satchel charge knockup to land it but that has a huge cooldown. Or always be versus a melee champ or a dummy that stands in creeps.

Xonra1 votes

That's also a quick way to go oom early on before your jungler is likely to be giving you blue buff.

TheStabulous1 votes

Use the satchel with Q to keep them still for a moment and then aim at their feet. Poke with the passive every time it's available and q right after. A quick satchel right after his ult should keep them in the kill zone.

Ziggs is a monster on ARAM, but that's because your allies distract the enemy from you an your tosses. That style of fighting doesn't translate well to the rift where most of your encounters are 1 on 1.

Ziggs is most comfortable on the back line of team fights because he relies on the negligence of your target. So my advice would be to get jungle to murder your opponent every chance he gets so you can at least get assist gold. Then try to rush team movement. Just latch on to the top or bottom lanes as much as you can without losing your tower.

DrCyanide1 votes

Swap to Xerath , you won't have issues with your Q bouncing any more.

Meep Man1 votes

Because it's actually one of the most powerful spam abilities in the game. It's AP Ratio and base damage are insane for it's spammable nature considering the fact it's also AoE and super long range AND lower mana cost than most abilities. If you have trouble landing it, practice some. If you still can't land it after extensive practice, maybe Ziggs just isn't your guy. He requires a ton of movement prediction, aiming, and strategic awareness to play to maximum efficiency.

But seriously look at that damage!

Xerath Q Base Damage: 80/120/160/200/240 (+75% AP) Cool Down: 9-5 seconds Range: 750-1400 requiring charge Has a brief delay before firing

Ziggs Q Base Damage: 75/120/165/210/255 (+65% AP) Cool Down: 6-4 seconds Range: 1400 Lower mana cost and near instant release

Xonra1 votes

It has an awkward hit box I'm fairly sure. I've had the bomb, or ball or whatever depending on skin bounce THROUGH a champion visually before and keep bouncing. It has to hit dead center and it feels pretty awkward when you are like "alright!" then watch the bomb just keep going by and you just blink like....how

dominusx1 votes

lol in fact it's really easy to missjudge a lot of times and you get hit by it. by no means it's hard to hit

Darkslayer851 votes

You're supposed to max E anyway for the higher damage you can get out of EW.

DREADN0UGHT1 votes

Simple answer: Because it literally bounces. Like, you can literally miss because it will bounce over your enemy.

Hovering Hentai1 votes

It does a lot of damage when it actually hits and does it in a small area so you're sacrificing accuracy for a big damage reward. Pretty hard to do but the payoff is worth getting it right

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